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From a company that sell "full self-driving" cars that don't, you now, "self drive fully", I was kinda already expecting that whatever advertised range was, to

From a company that sell "full self-driving" cars that don't, you now, "self drive fully", I was kinda already expecting that whatever advertised range was, to put it nicely, a "large exageration". The bit of code in the dashboard to exaggerate even more is a nice touch. I wonder what the commit message was for that PR ? (Or maybe Tesla does not do PRs or commits, and just let anyone build anything on their laptop and put the binaries in the car. I mean, all that "software engineering" process sounds like so much useless efforts, right ?) Also, the author of the article takes a lot of pleasure in mentioning the EPA dozens of time - too bad the days of the agency are numbered.

blitzar 2y ago
> I wonder what the commit message was for that PR? They "trust me". Dumb fucks.
- falcor84 2y ago
  Vouching and upvoting this. In case the context got lost by the original downvoters, this is in reference to Mark Zuckerberg's leaked conversations about creating Facebook [0]. I wouldn't be surprised if (some) Tesla employees/executives indeed internally hold a similar sentiment about their customers. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-people-first-ever-mark-zuckerberg-harvard https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...
libertine 2y ago
There was a time where false advertising used to be illegal.
- phtrivier 2y ago
  I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."
  - MHard 2y ago
    The "Ministry of Truth" in this case is a bad analogy though, since in the story, its purpose was to redefine what is the truth according to state up to the point of forcing people ignore the proof that they see in front of their eyes through torture.
    - svnt 2y ago
      Parent wasn’t using it as an analogy though, they were saying it is ironic we were afraid of the state doing that when subtler corporate means are what we ended up with. I don’t know if it is ironic, though — maybe more of an Orwellian inoculation that pushed the problem elsewhere.
    - phtrivier 2y ago
      I'm now picturing a customer support that can send henchmen to convince you that, "no, we never advertised 500m of autonomy, and your range did not drop unexpectedly while you were driving, and anyway the car was fully self-driving itself into that tree - we have logs and data and signed ToC to prove ourselves, now please sit down on this chair so we can strap you and use this big red hammer to protect your free speech." And it' supposed to sound ridiculous and Terry Gilliam-esque, but it's now eerily realistic...
      - ModernMech 2y ago
        Yeah, there's a video going around where a dealership is working with Tesla to repair a car battery, but Tesla says the car has structural damage and is therefore classified as salvage, so the repair will cost $12,000+. The guy says "Salvage is different from having structural damage, I have proof here that it's not salvage". Tesla informs the man that "according to Tesla, it's salvage, and they can't provide any more details about anything, if you want more you have to go through Tesla Legal" So when it comes to Tesla, it's salvage if they says so, despite any other records, and if you don't like it, you can sue.
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- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  That time is now, thankfully the consumer protection organizations and car testing organizations stepped up and will / should now test in a standardized fashion an electric car's driving range and slap them on the wrist if it's much different from their advertised amount.
  - phtrivier 2y ago
    "a slap on the wrist" by a consumer association is not the same as a legal condemnation. (I'm assuming the "consumer association" is not a regulator, but just a bunch of people coming together.) It's useful for the consumer, and is supposedly part or the normal "immune system" of a free market. However, the "legal" part has to be handled by regulators, following laws enacted by lawfully elected representatives. This part is being slashed by lawfully elected executives (in part) and by unelected "advisors". One of whom is actively doing things that should get him prosecuted. Also, I hope the consumer protection association is not depending on any kind of public funding - otherwise, I hope their website doesn't use banned words like "diverse".
- peppers-ghost 2y ago
  Fraud is being pretty heavily normalized. The crypto space model is what all things are moving to imo with the feds being dismantled
MisterSandman 2y ago
I know you weren’t expecting a serious response, but Tesla does use Git. They actually use a fairly standard version of GitHub enterprise.
- zelphirkalt 2y ago
  Using git does not mean there is a PR process in place. Git can be used just in the way the GP describes, recklessly putting binaries onto cars.
  - bagacrap 2y ago
    GitHub cannot be used without pull requests. Git cannot be used without commits. Whether there is a code review process or everyone self approves is another question.
    - cafard 2y ago
      GitHub absolutely can be used without pull requests. I don't say that this is a good idea.
    - E39M5S62 2y ago
      Are you saying at Tesla, GitHub can't be used without pull requests? You can for sure (obviously) just push to whatever branch you want for your GitHub hosted repository if that's your desire.
      - garyfirestorm 2y ago
        As a newbie software engineer who has forced push to main numerous times last week without a PR. I’m surprised by this discourse on HN.
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    - mystified5016 2y ago

blitzar 2y ago

> I wonder what the commit message was for that PR? They "trust me". Dumb fucks.

falcor84 2y ago
Vouching and upvoting this. In case the context got lost by the original downvoters, this is in reference to Mark Zuckerberg's leaked conversations about creating Facebook [0]. I wouldn't be surprised if (some) Tesla employees/executives indeed internally hold a similar sentiment about their customers. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-people-first-ever-mark-zuckerberg-harvard https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...

libertine 2y ago

There was a time where false advertising used to be illegal.

phtrivier 2y ago
I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."
- MHard 2y ago
  The "Ministry of Truth" in this case is a bad analogy though, since in the story, its purpose was to redefine what is the truth according to state up to the point of forcing people ignore the proof that they see in front of their eyes through torture.
  - svnt 2y ago
    Parent wasn’t using it as an analogy though, they were saying it is ironic we were afraid of the state doing that when subtler corporate means are what we ended up with. I don’t know if it is ironic, though — maybe more of an Orwellian inoculation that pushed the problem elsewhere.
  - phtrivier 2y ago
    I'm now picturing a customer support that can send henchmen to convince you that, "no, we never advertised 500m of autonomy, and your range did not drop unexpectedly while you were driving, and anyway the car was fully self-driving itself into that tree - we have logs and data and signed ToC to prove ourselves, now please sit down on this chair so we can strap you and use this big red hammer to protect your free speech." And it' supposed to sound ridiculous and Terry Gilliam-esque, but it's now eerily realistic...
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      Yeah, there's a video going around where a dealership is working with Tesla to repair a car battery, but Tesla says the car has structural damage and is therefore classified as salvage, so the repair will cost $12,000+. The guy says "Salvage is different from having structural damage, I have proof here that it's not salvage". Tesla informs the man that "according to Tesla, it's salvage, and they can't provide any more details about anything, if you want more you have to go through Tesla Legal" So when it comes to Tesla, it's salvage if they says so, despite any other records, and if you don't like it, you can sue.
- deleted 2y ago
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Cthulhu_ 2y ago
That time is now, thankfully the consumer protection organizations and car testing organizations stepped up and will / should now test in a standardized fashion an electric car's driving range and slap them on the wrist if it's much different from their advertised amount.
- phtrivier 2y ago
  "a slap on the wrist" by a consumer association is not the same as a legal condemnation. (I'm assuming the "consumer association" is not a regulator, but just a bunch of people coming together.) It's useful for the consumer, and is supposedly part or the normal "immune system" of a free market. However, the "legal" part has to be handled by regulators, following laws enacted by lawfully elected representatives. This part is being slashed by lawfully elected executives (in part) and by unelected "advisors". One of whom is actively doing things that should get him prosecuted. Also, I hope the consumer protection association is not depending on any kind of public funding - otherwise, I hope their website doesn't use banned words like "diverse".
peppers-ghost 2y ago
Fraud is being pretty heavily normalized. The crypto space model is what all things are moving to imo with the feds being dismantled

MisterSandman 2y ago

I know you weren’t expecting a serious response, but Tesla does use Git. They actually use a fairly standard version of GitHub enterprise.

zelphirkalt 2y ago
Using git does not mean there is a PR process in place. Git can be used just in the way the GP describes, recklessly putting binaries onto cars.
- bagacrap 2y ago
  GitHub cannot be used without pull requests. Git cannot be used without commits. Whether there is a code review process or everyone self approves is another question.
  - cafard 2y ago
    GitHub absolutely can be used without pull requests. I don't say that this is a good idea.
  - E39M5S62 2y ago
    Are you saying at Tesla, GitHub can't be used without pull requests? You can for sure (obviously) just push to whatever branch you want for your GitHub hosted repository if that's your desire.
    - garyfirestorm 2y ago
      As a newbie software engineer who has forced push to main numerous times last week without a PR. I’m surprised by this discourse on HN.
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - mystified5016 2y ago