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>a main role of the engineer is to interface with the non-technical persons or other engineers The main role of the engineer is being responsible for the build

>a main role of the engineer is to interface with the non-technical persons or other engineers The main role of the engineer is being responsible for the building not collapsing.

randomNumber7 2y ago
ChatGPT will probably take more responsibility than Boeing for their airplane software.
tobr 2y ago
I keep coming back to this point. Lots of jobs are fundamentally about taking responsibility. Even if AI were to replace most of the work involved, only a human can meaningfully take responsibility for the outcome.
- dogmayor 2y ago
  I think about this a lot when it comes to self-driving cars. Unless a manufacturer assumes liability, why would anyone purchase one and subject themselves to potential liability for something they by definition did not do? This issue will be a big sticking point for adoption.
  - hattmall 2y ago
    Consumers will tend to do what they are told and the manufacturers will lobby the government to create liability protections for consumers. Insurance companies will weight against human drivers and underwrite accordingly.
- hattmall 2y ago
  If there is profit in taking that risk someone will do it. Corporations don't think in terms of the real outcome of problems, they think in terms of cost to litigate or underwrite.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Indeed. I sometimes bring this up in terms of "cybersecurity" - in the real world, "cybersecurity" is only tangentially about the tech and hacking; it's mostly about shifting and diffusing liability. That's why the certifications and standards like SOC.2 exist ("I followed the State Of The Art Industry Standard Practices, therefore It's Not My Fault"), that's what external auditors get paid for ("and this external audit confirmed I Followed The Best Practices, therefore It's Not My Fault"), that's why endpoint security exists and why cybersec is denominated not in algorithms, but third-party vendors you integrate, etc. It all works out into a form of distributed insurance, where the blame flows around via contractual agreements, some parties pay out damages to other parties (and recoup it from actual insurance), and all is fine.
hattmall 2y ago
At a high level yes, but there are multiple levels of teams below that. There are many cases where senior engineers spend all their time reviewing plans from outsourced engineers.

>a main role of the engineer is to interface with the non-technical persons or other engineers The main role of the engineer is being responsible for the building not collapsing.

randomNumber7 2y ago

ChatGPT will probably take more responsibility than Boeing for their airplane software.

tobr 2y ago

I keep coming back to this point. Lots of jobs are fundamentally about taking responsibility. Even if AI were to replace most of the work involved, only a human can meaningfully take responsibility for the outcome.

dogmayor 2y ago
I think about this a lot when it comes to self-driving cars. Unless a manufacturer assumes liability, why would anyone purchase one and subject themselves to potential liability for something they by definition did not do? This issue will be a big sticking point for adoption.
- hattmall 2y ago
  Consumers will tend to do what they are told and the manufacturers will lobby the government to create liability protections for consumers. Insurance companies will weight against human drivers and underwrite accordingly.
hattmall 2y ago
If there is profit in taking that risk someone will do it. Corporations don't think in terms of the real outcome of problems, they think in terms of cost to litigate or underwrite.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Indeed. I sometimes bring this up in terms of "cybersecurity" - in the real world, "cybersecurity" is only tangentially about the tech and hacking; it's mostly about shifting and diffusing liability. That's why the certifications and standards like SOC.2 exist ("I followed the State Of The Art Industry Standard Practices, therefore It's Not My Fault"), that's what external auditors get paid for ("and this external audit confirmed I Followed The Best Practices, therefore It's Not My Fault"), that's why endpoint security exists and why cybersec is denominated not in algorithms, but third-party vendors you integrate, etc. It all works out into a form of distributed insurance, where the blame flows around via contractual agreements, some parties pay out damages to other parties (and recoup it from actual insurance), and all is fine.

hattmall 2y ago

At a high level yes, but there are multiple levels of teams below that. There are many cases where senior engineers spend all their time reviewing plans from outsourced engineers.