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Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I've been considering switching to Kagi because paying for a service if I don't want to get advertisements just see

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I've been considering switching to Kagi because paying for a service if I don't want to get advertisements just seems like the reasonable thing to do, but I also wanted to reduce my dependence on US companies. GOOD charges €2/month for unlimited search. I wonder why their costs are so much lower than Kagi's. Maybe Brace's pricing for their index is much cheaper than building your own?

AndreasRenner 2y ago
Hi, our 2€/month is indeed a low-entry. About 20% of our users pay voluntarily more to support our mission. As a social enterprise, we do not want to make profits on the subscription, but rather keep it low-cost or support our mission. In the end, it's a mixed calculation, which largely depends on how many searches an average users does (we assume around 80). By the way, Kagi has not built an own index; their model is pretty close to ours.
- nanna 2y ago
  Hi Andreas, the Firefox 'start install' link is broken ("Hoppla! Wir können diese Seite nicht finden.") https://good-search.org/about/en/set-up-good/ https://good-search.org/about/en/set-up-good/ Also, while I have your attention, something that I would miss from DDG are the bang commands, which make DDG much better than Google, for me personally. Does GOOD have something similar?
  - tremon 2y ago
    Personally, I have replaced most of the DDG bangs with firefox keyword searches. As long as your target site accepts the search string as part of the url, you can achieve the same thing without any search engine redirect. As an example, my python search bookmark: url: https://docs.python.org/3/search.html?q=%s keyword: py Means that I can type ctrl-L py and it does the same thing that ctrl-K !py used to do.
    - mdaniel 2y ago
      Yes but surely you don't want to recreate (and maintain!) this whole list by hand? https://duckduckgo.com/bangs#:~:text=13%2C568%20bangs%20and%20counting https://duckduckgo.com/bangs#:~:text=13%2C568%20bangs%20and%... I hear you about the search engine redirect, though
      - layer8 2y ago
        In practice you don’t use that many, and also for most of what I use I’d have to create additional custom “bangs” anyway. For me it’s a browser-level feature (this has been present in browsers from very early on), independent of which search engine I use. And unless a search prefix actually maps to a search engine search, the search engine service has no business of knowing what I query. Better keep it separate.
      - tremon 2y ago
        That's true, but I don't use all 13,000 bangs. It would be impossible for me to remember that many anyway. I should have said "the bangs that I actively use" instead of most of them. Looks like I have 32 keywords bookmarked like that, around 20 of which I use regularly. The search url's are quite stable, I don't remember ever having to update one. But I'm sure it will happen occasionally.
  - AndreasRenner 2y ago
    The Firefox extension link should now work :-). With regard to the bang commands, I think it's on our tech agenda, but would need to check ...
- Einenlum 2y ago
  Seems like they partly do use their own index https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

AndreasRenner 2y ago

Hi, our 2€/month is indeed a low-entry. About 20% of our users pay voluntarily more to support our mission. As a social enterprise, we do not want to make profits on the subscription, but rather keep it low-cost or support our mission. In the end, it's a mixed calculation, which largely depends on how many searches an average users does (we assume around 80). By the way, Kagi has not built an own index; their model is pretty close to ours.

nanna 2y ago
Hi Andreas, the Firefox 'start install' link is broken ("Hoppla! Wir können diese Seite nicht finden.") https://good-search.org/about/en/set-up-good/ https://good-search.org/about/en/set-up-good/ Also, while I have your attention, something that I would miss from DDG are the bang commands, which make DDG much better than Google, for me personally. Does GOOD have something similar?
- tremon 2y ago
  Personally, I have replaced most of the DDG bangs with firefox keyword searches. As long as your target site accepts the search string as part of the url, you can achieve the same thing without any search engine redirect. As an example, my python search bookmark: url: https://docs.python.org/3/search.html?q=%s keyword: py Means that I can type ctrl-L py and it does the same thing that ctrl-K !py used to do.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    Yes but surely you don't want to recreate (and maintain!) this whole list by hand? https://duckduckgo.com/bangs#:~:text=13%2C568%20bangs%20and%20counting https://duckduckgo.com/bangs#:~:text=13%2C568%20bangs%20and%... I hear you about the search engine redirect, though
    - layer8 2y ago
      In practice you don’t use that many, and also for most of what I use I’d have to create additional custom “bangs” anyway. For me it’s a browser-level feature (this has been present in browsers from very early on), independent of which search engine I use. And unless a search prefix actually maps to a search engine search, the search engine service has no business of knowing what I query. Better keep it separate.
    - tremon 2y ago
      That's true, but I don't use all 13,000 bangs. It would be impossible for me to remember that many anyway. I should have said "the bangs that I actively use" instead of most of them. Looks like I have 32 keywords bookmarked like that, around 20 of which I use regularly. The search url's are quite stable, I don't remember ever having to update one. But I'm sure it will happen occasionally.
- AndreasRenner 2y ago
  The Firefox extension link should now work :-). With regard to the bang commands, I think it's on our tech agenda, but would need to check ...
Einenlum 2y ago
Seems like they partly do use their own index https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...