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Ah, neat, so if the government decides it disfavors your speech it just has to say "that speech supports a terrorist organization", and it can deport anyone it

Ah, neat, so if the government decides it disfavors your speech it just has to say "that speech supports a terrorist organization", and it can deport anyone it wants first amendment be damned? Neat trick!

blindriver 2y ago
The government has no obligation to allow any and all non-citizens who seek to immigrate to the US. If the immigrant is engaging in unfavorable or distasteful activities, the government certainly has the right to not allow them to enter the country or become citizens. It's not just for endorsing terrorism, if any immigrant commits a heinous crime, then can and will also be deported, so it makes sense to me.
- ncallaway 2y ago
  A permanent resident is not someone who is seeking to immigrate to the US. They have already immigrated. That's what permanent residency status is, and that's why there's a much higher bar for the removal of permanent residency than there is for a visa, or the *application* for a permanent residency. The government can have wide latitude in who it chooses to grant permanent residency to. It cannot, however, flippantly revoke that status (and especially not over disfavored speech) To think it should be allowed to do so is to either fundamentally misunderstand what a "permanent resident" is, or to callous disregard all of our first amendment rights.
  - blindriver 2y ago
    You are wrong. I'm someone who immigrated to the US so I'm deeply aware of the situation. Permanent resident isn't the same as a citizen. Until you become a citizen there are still limitations to the things you can do, for example vote, go on a jury, etc. And you can lose your PR if you stay out of the US too long or if you commit certain crimes. And endorsing terrorism absolutely can get you stripped of your PR. Once you are a naturalized citizen, then the bar for losing your citizenship is much higher, usually you need to have lied during the immigration application. But even commiting an especially heinous crime won't get your stripped of your citizenship.

blindriver 2y ago

The government has no obligation to allow any and all non-citizens who seek to immigrate to the US. If the immigrant is engaging in unfavorable or distasteful activities, the government certainly has the right to not allow them to enter the country or become citizens. It's not just for endorsing terrorism, if any immigrant commits a heinous crime, then can and will also be deported, so it makes sense to me.

ncallaway 2y ago
A permanent resident is not someone who is seeking to immigrate to the US. They have already immigrated. That's what permanent residency status is, and that's why there's a much higher bar for the removal of permanent residency than there is for a visa, or the *application* for a permanent residency. The government can have wide latitude in who it chooses to grant permanent residency to. It cannot, however, flippantly revoke that status (and especially not over disfavored speech) To think it should be allowed to do so is to either fundamentally misunderstand what a "permanent resident" is, or to callous disregard all of our first amendment rights.
- blindriver 2y ago
  You are wrong. I'm someone who immigrated to the US so I'm deeply aware of the situation. Permanent resident isn't the same as a citizen. Until you become a citizen there are still limitations to the things you can do, for example vote, go on a jury, etc. And you can lose your PR if you stay out of the US too long or if you commit certain crimes. And endorsing terrorism absolutely can get you stripped of your PR. Once you are a naturalized citizen, then the bar for losing your citizenship is much higher, usually you need to have lied during the immigration application. But even commiting an especially heinous crime won't get your stripped of your citizenship.