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I heard about this today, things are weird in the US as this guy has a green card but it was being revoked for speech the government didn't like and apparently

• anon291 2y ago
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  • cycomanic 2y ago
    The brain gymnastics of Trump supporters arr absolutely amazing, one hand they could stop shouting freedom of speech everytime someone (a private entity) didn't allow them to spew racism on their platform, on the other hand deporting (the government) someone for their political views is fine because they are a security threat and deportation isn't really punishment (being banned on a social media platform on the other hand...). At least be honest and say "I don't care because it's speech I disagree with"
    • the_gastropod 2y ago
      I saw this comment on Bluesky yesterday, and it really resonated with me after watching a "totally moderate" conservative friend incrementally tolerate more and more obviously evil things: > A conservative will pretend to believe whatever they think is necessary to get to their only goal: hurting you. That is the sum total of how they function. Pretending they have morals, ethics, or beliefs actively plays into their hands. "Owning the libs" is pretty much the only thing needed to unite them.
  • kevingadd 2y ago
    What do you call what's being done to him if not imprisonment? What are "migrant privileges"? If expressing sympathy for a group disliked by the politicians currently in power makes people a "national security threat" there are tens of millions of national security threats in this country, many of them citizens, and they all apparently deserve to disappear like this guy has?
    • anon291 2y ago
      Citizens cannot be deported. In general, if you are a migrant to a country, you are a guest until you become a citizen. This is not rocket science. My own family went through this process. If an American citizen is being jailed for speaking in favor of Hamas, we can have a conversation. As i said, deportation is not a punishment.
  • bhouston 2y ago
    > Publicly expressing sympathy for a declared terrorist group... Did he express sympathy for Hamas or killings of Israelis? From what I can tell he didn't and I don't see any accusations of that in the media.
    • AlecSchueler 2y ago
      There's been a concerted effort to frame any support for the people of Palestine as support for Hamas, and any criticism of Israeli policy as anti-semitism. It's not even uncommon to see it on Hacker News.
      • anon291 2y ago
        This man publicly stood in Montreal and celebrated October 7 in a grand party. https://tnc.news/2025/01/18/montreal-anti-israel-repeat-oct-7-attack/ https://tnc.news/2025/01/18/montreal-anti-israel-repeat-oct-...
        • n4r9 2y ago
          The content of this article is in stark contrast to the information I'm seeing from other posters as well as relatively non-partisan sources such as the BBC and Wikipedia. I've done some preliminary fact-checking to try and gauge how much I trust it. Other HN users may find this helpful. Media Bias Fact Check report on True North: > These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/true-north-centre-for-public-policy/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/true-north-centre-for-public-... The linked article hinges entirely on the content of a few tweets by twitter user @l3v1at4an (https://x.com/l3v1at4an https://x.com/l3v1at4an). The twitter user almost exclusively posts about Palestine, Hamas and Hezbullah, with a distinct anti-Islamic and pro-Jewish slant. The subtitles in the videos are translated from arabic and supplied by this twitter user. Googling for 'Mahmoud Khalil "repeat the strike"' or 'Mahmoud Khalil "kidnap the soldiers"' produces only the True North article as a result. The above is enough to raise suspicions about the translation quality in the video. Would be great if someone with better knowledge of Arabic was able to verify or refute the translated subtitles.
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• monideas 2y ago
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  • joshribakoff 2y ago
    I would encourage you to think more critically. If you organized a peaceful protest should you be held liable for other peoples actions? He was apparently deported for speech, not violence according to the parent comment.
    • thaumasiotes 2y ago
      Well, it depends. What was the protest against?
    • cyberax 2y ago
      Restraining others from entering or leaving is no longer "peaceful".
      • bigyabai 2y ago
        By all means, show us the video of him doing this then. Or is he being detained for the actions of somebody else?
        • HideousKojima 2y ago
          I have no idea if there's footage of him personally doing such things, but he's a leader of the protests, and one of the people negotiating on behalf of the other protesters with the university. He is most definitely taking part in occupying part of campus illegally, so his ass should be deported.
  • makeitdouble 2y ago
    A permanent resident should have a regular trial if warranted. Getting arrested first by immigration agency is the issue here.
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• kevingadd 2y ago
  It's questionable whether his green card has actually been revoked either. Supposedly that requires proceedings to go through an immigration court and be approved by a judge, and as far as anyone knows that hasn't happened yet. Which would mean he's just being detained without cause in some unspecified location on no basis
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  • space_fountain 2y ago
    News coverage seems to suggest immigrants can be detained while moved to revoke their green cards are made, but it’s incredibly troubling that no one seems to know what’s up, the government agents arresting him seemed to think he had a student visa and in general there is so little visibility
    • jeffbee 2y ago
      Trump has stated that citizenship is now Calvinball, only he knows the rules. If they can disappear a permanent resident they can disappear you, too.
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      • throwawaymaths 2y ago
        it kinda always was calvinball, we just had administrations less keen on pulling out the cruelest interpretation of the laws.
        • jeffbee 2y ago
          You're suggesting there was a previous administration that rounded up lawful permanent residents without court orders on US soil, on the charge that they committed forbidden speech?
• OgsyedIE 2y ago
  Hey, the government can decide whether something qualifies as grounds to revoke a green card or not, that's totally legitimate and I support it. But, once they do, the guy is still entitled to a lawyer. Vanishing the guy and telling the lawyer that they aren't allowed to know where their client is or whether he's still alive is not legitimate.
  • nerevarthelame 2y ago
    It's really not as simple as "hey, the government can decide." To have a green card revoked, the person must be an active member of a group at war with the US or have committed some kind of fraud. DHS must initiate it (not the State Department, despite Rubio's statements), and it must be approved by an immigration judge. So far all we've heard about this process and the justification is "Contact the White House."
    • OgsyedIE 2y ago
      There are more causes for revocation in the law than just those two.
  • ncallaway 2y ago
    > Hey, the government can decide whether something qualifies as grounds to revoke a green card or not, that's totally legitimate and I support it. No, it can't. It must go through a process which affords the green card holder due process. There are specific grounds which are required to be met to remove someone's green card. And it absolutely cannot be revoked because the government disfavors ones political speech. That's an absolutely fundamental violation of the first amendment and our right to free speech.
    • GenerocUsername 2y ago
      And who defines that process? Oh right, the government.
• MiiMe19 2y ago
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  • gruez 2y ago
    > The student, Mahmoud Khalil at the university's School of International and Public Affairs, was arrested by U.S. Department of Homeland Security agents at his university residence on Saturday, the Student Workers of Columbia union said in a statement. His wife is an American citizen, eight months pregnant, according to news reports, and he holds a U.S. permanent residency green card, the union said.
    • MiiMe19 2y ago
      Yeah. It says nothing about revoking his greencard or deporting him, just that he holds one.
      • space_fountain 2y ago
        > Secretary of State Marco Rubio shared a link on X to a news article about Mr. Khalil’s arrest and issued a broad promise: “We will be revoking the visas and/or green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported.” https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/nyregion/ice-arrests-palestinian-activist-columbia-protests.html?unlocked_article_code=1.204.otbC.tJ52MGyHGh1p&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/09/nyregion/ice-arrests-pale...
        • MiiMe19 2y ago
          I don't consider twitter posts as anything more than the ramblings of the deranged, and don't really see a twitter post as evidence that someone already got deported considering how much politicians lie on there.
          • NewJazz 2y ago
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• blindriver 2y ago
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  • space_fountain 2y ago
    The does not seem to be, or it has not been offered so far
    • blindriver 2y ago
      There is evidence that the group that Khalil headed did endorse Hamas and distributed pro-Hamas propaganda. Whether this news article is true or if it's propaganda remains to be seen. https://nypost.com/2025/03/09/us-news/ice-arrests-palestinian-leader-of-columbias-anti-israel-protests-lawyer/ https://nypost.com/2025/03/09/us-news/ice-arrests-palestinia... https://nypost.com/2025/03/09/us-news/who-is-mahmoud-khalil-the-columbia-university-agitator-detained-by-ice-for-deportation/ https://nypost.com/2025/03/09/us-news/who-is-mahmoud-khalil-...
      • bhouston 2y ago
        > There is evidence that the group that Khalil headed did endorse Hamas and distributed pro-Hamas propaganda There is nothing in those articles that says he supported Hamas or that he distributed pro-Hamas propaganda.
        • blindriver 2y ago
          "He has remained active in recent disruptive protests, including last week’s takeover of the Milstein Library at Barnard College. Videos and photographs posted on X depict him holding a bullhorn near the library entrance and engaged in discussion with school administrators. That protest featured violent propaganda flyers that purportedly came directly from the “Hamas Media Office,” including one pamphlet titled “Our Narrative… Operation Al-Aqsa Flood,” which justified the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people — and in which women were repeatedly raped, whole families were executed and 251 hostages were taken to the Gaza Strip. Others at the Barnard library takeover passed around trading card-like photos of notorious Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who was killed by an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon last September." "Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents aided a Columbia -owned apartment inhabited by Mahmoud Khalil, who fronts a radical group, Columbia United Apartheid Divest (CUAD), which sympathizes with terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and calls for the “end of Western Civilization.”" Whether or not this is true, I can't say at this point or if this is just propaganda. But at the very least it does say that his group sympathizes with terror groups and if that's true, then it makes him eligible for deportation.
• akikoo 2y ago
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