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> If using USD was voluntary in the US a lot less people would use it. I'm curious what makes you think so, and what the alternatives would be. My impression i

> If using USD was voluntary in the US a lot less people would use it. I'm curious what makes you think so, and what the alternatives would be. My impression is actually that if shops weren't forced to accept USD, 100% would still do so.

roenxi 2y ago
Obviously we can't be truly certain without running an experiment or few, but... 1) If they're being forced to do something, that suggests someone doesn't believe they would do it voluntarily. Nobody more suspicious than the person who forces others to do things for their own good. 2) Businesses are invariably blamed for inflation. Every single time the subject comes up organically somebody pipes up to blame "greedy businesses"; it is basically a meme. Some business owners would start up a non-inflating currency just to escape that. They don't want to be political scapegoats. 3) You can spot a bunch of banking crisises coming a mile away, the financial system seems to be mathematically guaranteed to collapse from time to time as I understand it. If given the choice a bunch of people would rather sign up for alternative systems that only enter a crisis state unexpectedly. That includes small business owners. Would they still accept USD? In the US, probably. But a bunch of alternatives would crop up and it is by no means guarenteed that the USD would be competitive. The US Fed manages the currency and they do a terrible job.
- quesera 2y ago
  > If they're being forced to do something, that suggests someone doesn't believe they would do it voluntarily But wait. US retail shops are not forced to accept USD. They can, if they choose, accept payment only in smiles. Or CAD, or good vibes. (Taxes, however, must be paid in USD). In practice, US retail wants USD, for obvious reasons. There are no viable widespread alternatives (but there are countless insignificant local currencies!).
  - Ferret7446 2y ago
    It's funny that you mention it, because quite a few digital storefronts accept crypto. Particularly, the ones that have been censured by the financial oligarchies (Visa, Mastercard et al)
billy99k 2y ago
"My impression is actually that if shops weren't forced to accept USD, 100% would still do so." Kind of like the crypto pump and dump scams that we see daily. Who wouldn't want to create their own currency? It would eventually take power away from the US government.

roenxi 2y ago

Obviously we can't be truly certain without running an experiment or few, but... 1) If they're being forced to do something, that suggests someone doesn't believe they would do it voluntarily. Nobody more suspicious than the person who forces others to do things for their own good. 2) Businesses are invariably blamed for inflation. Every single time the subject comes up organically somebody pipes up to blame "greedy businesses"; it is basically a meme. Some business owners would start up a non-inflating currency just to escape that. They don't want to be political scapegoats. 3) You can spot a bunch of banking crisises coming a mile away, the financial system seems to be mathematically guaranteed to collapse from time to time as I understand it. If given the choice a bunch of people would rather sign up for alternative systems that only enter a crisis state unexpectedly. That includes small business owners. Would they still accept USD? In the US, probably. But a bunch of alternatives would crop up and it is by no means guarenteed that the USD would be competitive. The US Fed manages the currency and they do a terrible job.

quesera 2y ago
> If they're being forced to do something, that suggests someone doesn't believe they would do it voluntarily But wait. US retail shops are not forced to accept USD. They can, if they choose, accept payment only in smiles. Or CAD, or good vibes. (Taxes, however, must be paid in USD). In practice, US retail wants USD, for obvious reasons. There are no viable widespread alternatives (but there are countless insignificant local currencies!).
- Ferret7446 2y ago
  It's funny that you mention it, because quite a few digital storefronts accept crypto. Particularly, the ones that have been censured by the financial oligarchies (Visa, Mastercard et al)

billy99k 2y ago

"My impression is actually that if shops weren't forced to accept USD, 100% would still do so." Kind of like the crypto pump and dump scams that we see daily. Who wouldn't want to create their own currency? It would eventually take power away from the US government.