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Did Mahmoud Khalil actually speak out in support of Hamas?

danielmarkbruce 2y ago
No idea.
latentcall 2y ago
Pro-Palestinian is the same thing as pro-Hamas according to AIPAC and the administration. So according to them, yes. According to logical peoples, no,
- invalidname 2y ago
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  - archagon 2y ago
    No, I recall the protests erupting shortly after Israel started annihilating Gaza and chasing the refugee population around the country.
    - invalidname 2y ago
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      - archagon 2y ago
        Looks like the article is describing a poorly-considered letter, not protests. And in any case, it seems irrelevant to the protests Mahmoud Khalil was part of. I take offense at the idea that an anti-war and/or anti-genocide protest would necessarily¹ be "100% pro Hamas," since you could make the same argument about any similar protest with a drastic imbalance of power: pro-Ukraine, anti-Vietnam-War, etc. What I'm hearing is "stop struggling, you'll only make it worse" as dozens of Palestinian civilians are blown up for each murdered Israeli. The only way not to care is if you've dehumanized these people completely. Wherever you get your notions from, they are certainly not coming from "logical people." ¹ (Which is not to discount that there were some anti-semitic and pro-Hamas protesters as well. My sense is that they were far from the majority.)
        invalidname 2y ago
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        anigbrowl 2y ago
        any similar protest with a drastic imbalance of power: pro-Ukraine Elon Musk today called a US Senator (Mark Kelly) a traitor for traveling to Kiev and expressing support for the government there.
    - fzil 2y ago
      for your sanity stop replying to invalidname, that dude is in every single Israel / Palestine post, with non-stop commenting. I think he's (she's?) paid to astro-turf here. Just look at their history, and then look at mine for a convo that I have had with them in the past.
spwa4 2y ago
Yes. And he was an organizer and negotiator at the student protests where people got attacked. https://www.columbiaspectator.com/city-news/2024/04/24/i-am-the-jewish-future-detained-jewish-columbia-students-hold-press-conference-outside-presidents-house/ https://www.columbiaspectator.com/city-news/2024/04/24/i-am-... https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145737/columbia-suspends-palestinian-student-who-is-on-a-student-visa https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145737/columbia-suspend... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68923528 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68923528 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-stalemate-continues-student-protesters-still-camped-lawn-rcna149573 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-stalemate-cont... https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/the-extremist-student-leaders-leading-columbias-anti-israel-camp/ https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/the-extremist-student-... And if you want to have a fight about technicalities, you're both wrong. He didn't describe himself as either pro-Hamas or pro-Palestinian. He described the protests as anti-Israel ... As anti-Israel's existence, to be exact, not anti-Israel's actions in Gaza or anywhere else.
- mmmmmbop 2y ago
  > Yes. None of the links you provided substantiate the claim that Khalil spoke out in support of Hamas. Neither that he was an organizer of the protests.
  - spwa4 2y ago
    That's what the last paragraph is about. You're technically right. He spoke out against Israel's right to exist. That's functionally the same, or even worse, but not exactly identical to what you mention. You pick.
    - mmmmmbop 2y ago
      In the five links you provided, there is nothing supporting that he spoke out against Israel's right to exist or that he described the protests as anti-Israel. Can you provide anything that supports your statements?
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No idea.

Pro-Palestinian is the same thing as pro-Hamas according to AIPAC and the administration. So according to them, yes. According to logical peoples, no,

invalidname 2y ago
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- archagon 2y ago
  No, I recall the protests erupting shortly after Israel started annihilating Gaza and chasing the refugee population around the country.
  - invalidname 2y ago
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    - archagon 2y ago
      Looks like the article is describing a poorly-considered letter, not protests. And in any case, it seems irrelevant to the protests Mahmoud Khalil was part of. I take offense at the idea that an anti-war and/or anti-genocide protest would necessarily¹ be "100% pro Hamas," since you could make the same argument about any similar protest with a drastic imbalance of power: pro-Ukraine, anti-Vietnam-War, etc. What I'm hearing is "stop struggling, you'll only make it worse" as dozens of Palestinian civilians are blown up for each murdered Israeli. The only way not to care is if you've dehumanized these people completely. Wherever you get your notions from, they are certainly not coming from "logical people." ¹ (Which is not to discount that there were some anti-semitic and pro-Hamas protesters as well. My sense is that they were far from the majority.)
      - invalidname 2y ago
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      - anigbrowl 2y ago
        any similar protest with a drastic imbalance of power: pro-Ukraine Elon Musk today called a US Senator (Mark Kelly) a traitor for traveling to Kiev and expressing support for the government there.
  - fzil 2y ago
    for your sanity stop replying to invalidname, that dude is in every single Israel / Palestine post, with non-stop commenting. I think he's (she's?) paid to astro-turf here. Just look at their history, and then look at mine for a convo that I have had with them in the past.

spwa4 2y ago

Yes. And he was an organizer and negotiator at the student protests where people got attacked. https://www.columbiaspectator.com/city-news/2024/04/24/i-am-the-jewish-future-detained-jewish-columbia-students-hold-press-conference-outside-presidents-house/ https://www.columbiaspectator.com/city-news/2024/04/24/i-am-... https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145737/columbia-suspends-palestinian-student-who-is-on-a-student-visa https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145737/columbia-suspend... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68923528 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68923528 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-stalemate-continues-student-protesters-still-camped-lawn-rcna149573 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-stalemate-cont... https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/the-extremist-student-leaders-leading-columbias-anti-israel-camp/ https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/the-extremist-student-... And if you want to have a fight about technicalities, you're both wrong. He didn't describe himself as either pro-Hamas or pro-Palestinian. He described the protests as anti-Israel ... As anti-Israel's existence, to be exact, not anti-Israel's actions in Gaza or anywhere else.

mmmmmbop 2y ago
> Yes. None of the links you provided substantiate the claim that Khalil spoke out in support of Hamas. Neither that he was an organizer of the protests.
- spwa4 2y ago
  That's what the last paragraph is about. You're technically right. He spoke out against Israel's right to exist. That's functionally the same, or even worse, but not exactly identical to what you mention. You pick.
  - mmmmmbop 2y ago
    In the five links you provided, there is nothing supporting that he spoke out against Israel's right to exist or that he described the protests as anti-Israel. Can you provide anything that supports your statements?
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