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I would say that we differ on the meaning of "political opponents". I am exactly referring to the same group as you: millions of non-whites distributed in some

I would say that we differ on the meaning of "political opponents". I am exactly referring to the same group as you: millions of non-whites distributed in some proportion of native citizens, naturalized citizens, documented (legal) immigrants and undocumented immigrants. I think "political opponents" is an appropriate term for them, just as how Poles, Romani, Jews, etc were political opponents of the last great instance of attempted mass deportation. Of course, we know what happened once it became apparent that there's no way to create the infrastructure for mass expulsion. Nobody ever solved the problem: where do you deport them to?

alabastervlog 2y ago
Ah, ok. Then yes, them. I can’t imagine what else he’s thinking of doing with the insurrection act any time soon, that’s not far crazier. If I wanted to do what he’s said he’s trying to do I’d want 1) to browbeat others into doing the work for me, at their expense, bonus points if it’s folks my supporters want to see brought to heel, 2) create an atmosphere of fear so people leave on their own (that’s free!), and 3) raise a large force to handle the logistics of actual mass deportation, which will be a huge job, bonus if some of their cost is already in the budget (the military). Insurrection Act makes sense as a tool to achieve that. [edit] to what you’re getting at with the suggested… alternative solution, let’s say, yes, I think there’s a real chance for things to get a ton worse in any of several ways, but I think most of that’s a year or more out and I hesitate to guess where we’ll be in 12 months.
- OgsyedIE 2y ago
  There's no need to use existing laws when you can invent new ones. Under the process of Gleischaltung, many new laws were passed in a five-month window that didn't have any historical precedent including: * Disbarring every lawyer and judge * Requiring that all new bar exams could only be attended by NSDAP members of over two years who possessed certificates of "ancestral hygiene" * Arresting every state governor (turns out the Weimar Republic was also a federal republic) and replacing them with NSDAP officials * Reconstituting the party seat allocations of every state legislature to match the party seat allocations of the federal legislature
  - alabastervlog 2y ago
    I think they have some interest in operating quasi-legally, at least for now. It reduces resistance, especially among those receiving the orders. They haven’t had time to purge the entire military leadership yet, just the ones at the top. If they want to act soon, they need it to look at least kinda legal. Again, idk where this is going, it’s way up in the air as far as I’m concerned, I am just looking at what I see happening, and I see a request for reports on whether it’s appropriate to invoke the insurrection act, and I look at why he might want that now, and I see the promised mass deportations and what he’s done with trying to extort Adams into enforcing immigration law in NYC, and this is what I come up with. I think he wants it for bodies to help carry out deportations, and to at least threaten cities with soldiers on the streets to get them to do it some of the work for him. Beyond that? God, who knows.

alabastervlog 2y ago

Ah, ok. Then yes, them. I can’t imagine what else he’s thinking of doing with the insurrection act any time soon, that’s not far crazier. If I wanted to do what he’s said he’s trying to do I’d want 1) to browbeat others into doing the work for me, at their expense, bonus points if it’s folks my supporters want to see brought to heel, 2) create an atmosphere of fear so people leave on their own (that’s free!), and 3) raise a large force to handle the logistics of actual mass deportation, which will be a huge job, bonus if some of their cost is already in the budget (the military). Insurrection Act makes sense as a tool to achieve that. [edit] to what you’re getting at with the suggested… alternative solution, let’s say, yes, I think there’s a real chance for things to get a ton worse in any of several ways, but I think most of that’s a year or more out and I hesitate to guess where we’ll be in 12 months.

OgsyedIE 2y ago
There's no need to use existing laws when you can invent new ones. Under the process of Gleischaltung, many new laws were passed in a five-month window that didn't have any historical precedent including: * Disbarring every lawyer and judge * Requiring that all new bar exams could only be attended by NSDAP members of over two years who possessed certificates of "ancestral hygiene" * Arresting every state governor (turns out the Weimar Republic was also a federal republic) and replacing them with NSDAP officials * Reconstituting the party seat allocations of every state legislature to match the party seat allocations of the federal legislature
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  I think they have some interest in operating quasi-legally, at least for now. It reduces resistance, especially among those receiving the orders. They haven’t had time to purge the entire military leadership yet, just the ones at the top. If they want to act soon, they need it to look at least kinda legal. Again, idk where this is going, it’s way up in the air as far as I’m concerned, I am just looking at what I see happening, and I see a request for reports on whether it’s appropriate to invoke the insurrection act, and I look at why he might want that now, and I see the promised mass deportations and what he’s done with trying to extort Adams into enforcing immigration law in NYC, and this is what I come up with. I think he wants it for bodies to help carry out deportations, and to at least threaten cities with soldiers on the streets to get them to do it some of the work for him. Beyond that? God, who knows.