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Does it matter if he was 'arrested'? They didn't and are not following proper protocol. There was no warrant for his arrest, he's being denied his right to an a

Does it matter if he was 'arrested'? They didn't and are not following proper protocol. There was no warrant for his arrest, he's being denied his right to an attorney and are refusing to tell his representation where he is even at.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> They didn't and are not following proper protocol. There was no warrant for his arrest Again, police don’t need a warrant with probable cause. > he's being denied his right to an attorney Source? His attorney is quoted in the article. > refusing to tell his representation where he is even at Source? The article states he’s at “an immigration detention facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey.” There are obvious First Amendment and free speech issues with this arrest. Those get diluted if folks start making things up about the severity of the situation.
- fzeroracer 2y ago
  > Again, police don’t need a warrant with probable cause. Yes you do. You can not just barge into someones home and perform an illegal search + arrest without extreme probable cause.. And nothing they say would rise to that level of arresting someone solely on probable cause because there's no clear imminent threat of violence. They were not able to produce a warrant. > Source? His attorney is quoted in the article. https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3ljxt6ftplc2a https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3ljxt6... [1] It takes all of five minutes to get the latest update. His attorney does not know where he's being held and no one is allowed to visit him. [1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-agents-arrest-anti-israel-activist-who-led-protests-columbia-university-campus-months https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-agents-arrest-anti-israel-act... (the related Fox News article)
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Yes you do. You can not just barge into someones home and perform an illegal search + arrest Search and arrest, yes. If police see probable cause to arrest from the street, they can arrest. > because there's no clear imminent threat of violence Violence is unnecessary. If you’re caught shoplifting, the cop can arrest you without a warrant even if you weren’t violent. > His attorney does not know where he's being held and no one is allowed to visit him The tweet is from 9 hours ago. (Who is the source?) The article is newer. We know where he is.
    - fzeroracer 2y ago
      > The article is newer. We know where he is. Okay then tell me: Where is he being held? Here's a quote from his attorney: > "Currently, we do not know Mahmoud’s precise whereabouts. Initially, we were informed this morning that he had been transferred to an ICE facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey," Greer added. > "However, when his wife – a U.S. citizen who is eight months’ pregnant and was threatened with arrest as well by the ICE agents last night – tried to visit him there today, she was told he is not detained there."
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Where are you getting these quotes? From when?
        fzeroracer 2y ago
        I literally posted the article in my post that you responded to. Did you not read it before just jumping in to respond that you knew where he was being held?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        So it’s the same hours-old quote?
- nkurz 2y ago
  The parallel AP article (https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil-ice-15014bcbb921f21a9f704d5acdcae7a8 https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khali...) says he is no longer in New Jersey and may have been moved to Louisiana. It also says (implies?) that neither his wife nor his lawyer have been in touch with him nor know where he is being kept.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > It also says (implies?) that neither his wife nor his lawyer have been in touch with him nor know where he is being kept Thank you. This is concerning. I’ll keep an eye out for a statement from the lawyer. It may be that nobody is telling the press while the internet runs with the meme.
- tgma 2y ago
  > There are obvious First Amendment and free speech issues with this arrest. Unlikely. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisiades_v._Shaughnessy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisiades_v._Shaughnessy

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> They didn't and are not following proper protocol. There was no warrant for his arrest Again, police don’t need a warrant with probable cause. > he's being denied his right to an attorney Source? His attorney is quoted in the article. > refusing to tell his representation where he is even at Source? The article states he’s at “an immigration detention facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey.” There are obvious First Amendment and free speech issues with this arrest. Those get diluted if folks start making things up about the severity of the situation.

fzeroracer 2y ago
> Again, police don’t need a warrant with probable cause. Yes you do. You can not just barge into someones home and perform an illegal search + arrest without extreme probable cause.. And nothing they say would rise to that level of arresting someone solely on probable cause because there's no clear imminent threat of violence. They were not able to produce a warrant. > Source? His attorney is quoted in the article. https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3ljxt6ftplc2a https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3ljxt6... [1] It takes all of five minutes to get the latest update. His attorney does not know where he's being held and no one is allowed to visit him. [1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-agents-arrest-anti-israel-activist-who-led-protests-columbia-university-campus-months https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-agents-arrest-anti-israel-act... (the related Fox News article)
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Yes you do. You can not just barge into someones home and perform an illegal search + arrest Search and arrest, yes. If police see probable cause to arrest from the street, they can arrest. > because there's no clear imminent threat of violence Violence is unnecessary. If you’re caught shoplifting, the cop can arrest you without a warrant even if you weren’t violent. > His attorney does not know where he's being held and no one is allowed to visit him The tweet is from 9 hours ago. (Who is the source?) The article is newer. We know where he is.
  - fzeroracer 2y ago
    > The article is newer. We know where he is. Okay then tell me: Where is he being held? Here's a quote from his attorney: > "Currently, we do not know Mahmoud’s precise whereabouts. Initially, we were informed this morning that he had been transferred to an ICE facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey," Greer added. > "However, when his wife – a U.S. citizen who is eight months’ pregnant and was threatened with arrest as well by the ICE agents last night – tried to visit him there today, she was told he is not detained there."
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Where are you getting these quotes? From when?
      - fzeroracer 2y ago
        I literally posted the article in my post that you responded to. Did you not read it before just jumping in to respond that you knew where he was being held?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        So it’s the same hours-old quote?
nkurz 2y ago
The parallel AP article (https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil-ice-15014bcbb921f21a9f704d5acdcae7a8 https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khali...) says he is no longer in New Jersey and may have been moved to Louisiana. It also says (implies?) that neither his wife nor his lawyer have been in touch with him nor know where he is being kept.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > It also says (implies?) that neither his wife nor his lawyer have been in touch with him nor know where he is being kept Thank you. This is concerning. I’ll keep an eye out for a statement from the lawyer. It may be that nobody is telling the press while the internet runs with the meme.
tgma 2y ago
> There are obvious First Amendment and free speech issues with this arrest. Unlikely. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisiades_v._Shaughnessy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisiades_v._Shaughnessy