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Making statements in support of or in support of the actions of a proscribed terrorist group.

by easytiger 2y ago

the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
And that is enough to revoke a green card of someone married to a US citizen?
- easytiger 2y ago
  I would hope so
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > that is enough to revoke a green card of someone married to a US citizen? If he’s organising support for a terrorist organisation or October 17th [EDIT: 7th], yes. If he’s just voicing support for Palestinian rights, it shouldn’t be.
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jsheard 2y ago
What statements did they make in support of Hamas or their actions? Forgive me for not taking that claim at face value given that literally any pro-Palestinian speech, no matter how measured, tends to get conflated with support for terrorism and/or anti-semitism. Even something as benign as wearing a keffiyeh in solidarity, which the ADLs CEO likened to wearing a swastika.
- azernik 2y ago
  The closest to it is that the organization he represented supported resistance "by any means, including armed resistance" immediately after 7.10.23. But AFAIU they were very careful not to mention Hamas, positively or negatively.
Cyph0n 2y ago
Allegedly. The government - through the Biden and Trump admins - has been testing out the limits of student repression with pro-Palestine protestors. Think of it as a pilot program for seeing what they can get away with. As we have seen elsewhere, violent shutdown of university protests is one early step on the path towards more widespread repression. It is fine to not care, but don’t start crying for support once your cause is on the gov’s radar.
ever1337 2y ago
This isn't the UK
duxup 2y ago
Is being a "Palestinian activist" that?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  This argument would be stronger if either of you had sources showing what he has or categorically hasn’t done.
  - duxup 2y ago
    Hard to prove “hasn’t done.” I’ll leave it to folks saying he has done something to prove it.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Hard to prove “hasn’t done.” Even a statement is fine. The point is this argument is vacuous if both sides assume intent. > I’ll leave it to folks saying he has done something to prove it Sure. They do that in court filings. It just takes time. (And maybe it’s all bunk!)
      - duxup 2y ago
        Statement what? I think it is kinda an insidious system where it is expected we would have a statement vs any possible bad thing. I’m all for innocent until proven guilty. If this guy mailed a check to hamas directly then fine by me, otherwise I say prove it.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > otherwise I say prove it Sure. But they have no obligation to provide it to you right now. Anyone concluding confidently before we have court filings is obviously grinding an axe. (And it’s happening on both sides. No group has a monopoly on hyperbole.)
        2y ago

Making statements in support of or in support of the actions of a proscribed terrorist group.

the_mitsuhiko 2y ago

And that is enough to revoke a green card of someone married to a US citizen?

easytiger 2y ago
I would hope so
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> that is enough to revoke a green card of someone married to a US citizen? If he’s organising support for a terrorist organisation or October 17th [EDIT: 7th], yes. If he’s just voicing support for Palestinian rights, it shouldn’t be.
- deleted 2y ago
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jsheard 2y ago

What statements did they make in support of Hamas or their actions? Forgive me for not taking that claim at face value given that literally any pro-Palestinian speech, no matter how measured, tends to get conflated with support for terrorism and/or anti-semitism. Even something as benign as wearing a keffiyeh in solidarity, which the ADLs CEO likened to wearing a swastika.

azernik 2y ago
The closest to it is that the organization he represented supported resistance "by any means, including armed resistance" immediately after 7.10.23. But AFAIU they were very careful not to mention Hamas, positively or negatively.

Cyph0n 2y ago

Allegedly. The government - through the Biden and Trump admins - has been testing out the limits of student repression with pro-Palestine protestors. Think of it as a pilot program for seeing what they can get away with. As we have seen elsewhere, violent shutdown of university protests is one early step on the path towards more widespread repression. It is fine to not care, but don’t start crying for support once your cause is on the gov’s radar.

ever1337 2y ago

This isn't the UK

duxup 2y ago

Is being a "Palestinian activist" that?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
This argument would be stronger if either of you had sources showing what he has or categorically hasn’t done.
- duxup 2y ago
  Hard to prove “hasn’t done.” I’ll leave it to folks saying he has done something to prove it.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Hard to prove “hasn’t done.” Even a statement is fine. The point is this argument is vacuous if both sides assume intent. > I’ll leave it to folks saying he has done something to prove it Sure. They do that in court filings. It just takes time. (And maybe it’s all bunk!)
    - duxup 2y ago
      Statement what? I think it is kinda an insidious system where it is expected we would have a statement vs any possible bad thing. I’m all for innocent until proven guilty. If this guy mailed a check to hamas directly then fine by me, otherwise I say prove it.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > otherwise I say prove it Sure. But they have no obligation to provide it to you right now. Anyone concluding confidently before we have court filings is obviously grinding an axe. (And it’s happening on both sides. No group has a monopoly on hyperbole.)
        2y ago