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Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. All espresso based drinks you will find will be double-based. And especially any place which is doing specia

Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. All espresso based drinks you will find will be double-based. And especially any place which is doing specialty coffee is going to be using larger doses to make extraction more consistent with lighter roasted coffee (in the realm from 18g to 28g). It's pretty normal nowadays to see 20g or 22g baskets used in specialty coffee shops. You can obviously order a single but the price difference is just a trick, the other shot gets dumped unless two people order singles at the same time.

paxys 2y ago
I have no idea what you are talking about. The world's largest coffee chain (Starbucks) uses a single 1 oz/7 g espresso shot in their short (8oz) And tall (12oz) drink sizes. To get two shots you have to upgrade to "grande" (16oz), or specifically ask for (and pay for) an extra shot. Most coffee shops do the same for their smaller drinks.
- Arch-TK 2y ago
  Starbucks makes coffee flavoured desert drinks. We are talking about specialty coffee shops. I've also never seen starbucks use a single shot basket to pour a single shot. They always just split, this is broadly the standard. Nobody outside of Italy is making single shots with a single shot basket.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    > Starbucks makes coffee flavoured desert drinks. You don't have to order the caramel drinks? There are coffee, latte, cappuccino etc too everywhere, right?
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    It depends how nice the machine at your shop is. Some are on a more automated machine that just has a button for one or two shots.
- gnabgib 2y ago
  Starbucks does use singles in some Tall drinks (your point stands - Latte & Cappuccino), but not all (Americano & Flat Whites have 2 shots in a tall). Meta: I've never seen anyone order a short, the only thing I've ever seen in those cups are espresso pulls or water (but it turns out a Short Flat White still has two shots - worth a look)
- rlupi 2y ago
  <iamveryculinary country="it"> That's because Starbucks single espresso shot are absolutely atrocious. </iamveryculinary>
- protimewaster 2y ago
  Using a single shot basket is different than using a single shot of liquid. Does Starbucks use single shot baskets?
MichaelZuo 2y ago
> Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. > All espresso based drinks you will find will be double-based. Do you have a source for these claims?
- Arch-TK 2y ago
  For #1: Ask any coffee professional (someone who actually knows what they're doing). Or just go walk around. Try to find a cafe which is using different portafilters with single spouts (an indication of a single shot basket). Or ask them. Buy a single espresso and watch what they do. You will never see them use a single shot basket or a single spouted portafilter. You will always see them split a double. For #2: Since nobody is using single shot baskets, and no reputable coffee shop is setting aside split shots to use in someone else's drink, the only time it would make sense to make a coffee from a single shot is if it would be too intense with a double (hard to imagine). The alternative is just wasting coffee in most cases except when you're lucky and your customers order drinks where you can use the other split shot. But I don't really see anyone splitting shots for milk drinks, maybe I've not paid enough attention as I don't drink them that often. Either way, you're still brewing a double shot. You can again, just watch what they're doing. I've never seen a coffee shop where you can't see the bar and the machine. Just watch what happens. Lastly, you can't dial in a single shot basket and a double shot basket at the same time, you need to have dedicated grinders dialled in for both. Nobody outside of Italy bothers with that. For specialty cafes you'd be doubling the number of dialled in grinders which would be especially impractical.
  - layoric 2y ago
    > you need to have dedicated grinders dialled in for both. Nobody outside of Italy bothers with that. Huh? Most cafe's I see (Australia) the grinding is separate from the dispensing, and it is a single shot per pull. It's a big world out there mate, might be more of an isolated cultural thing than you realize or my neck of the woods is special. Either way, likely varies.
    - Arch-TK 2y ago
rlupi 2y ago
> Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. Some Swiss coffee shops do that, but we are close to Italy here. Lots of Italians live here and would be very unhappy without their espressos.

paxys 2y ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. The world's largest coffee chain (Starbucks) uses a single 1 oz/7 g espresso shot in their short (8oz) And tall (12oz) drink sizes. To get two shots you have to upgrade to "grande" (16oz), or specifically ask for (and pay for) an extra shot. Most coffee shops do the same for their smaller drinks.

Arch-TK 2y ago
Starbucks makes coffee flavoured desert drinks. We are talking about specialty coffee shops. I've also never seen starbucks use a single shot basket to pour a single shot. They always just split, this is broadly the standard. Nobody outside of Italy is making single shots with a single shot basket.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  > Starbucks makes coffee flavoured desert drinks. You don't have to order the caramel drinks? There are coffee, latte, cappuccino etc too everywhere, right?
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  It depends how nice the machine at your shop is. Some are on a more automated machine that just has a button for one or two shots.
gnabgib 2y ago
Starbucks does use singles in some Tall drinks (your point stands - Latte & Cappuccino), but not all (Americano & Flat Whites have 2 shots in a tall). Meta: I've never seen anyone order a short, the only thing I've ever seen in those cups are espresso pulls or water (but it turns out a Short Flat White still has two shots - worth a look)
rlupi 2y ago
<iamveryculinary country="it"> That's because Starbucks single espresso shot are absolutely atrocious. </iamveryculinary>
protimewaster 2y ago
Using a single shot basket is different than using a single shot of liquid. Does Starbucks use single shot baskets?

MichaelZuo 2y ago

> Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. > All espresso based drinks you will find will be double-based. Do you have a source for these claims?

Arch-TK 2y ago
For #1: Ask any coffee professional (someone who actually knows what they're doing). Or just go walk around. Try to find a cafe which is using different portafilters with single spouts (an indication of a single shot basket). Or ask them. Buy a single espresso and watch what they do. You will never see them use a single shot basket or a single spouted portafilter. You will always see them split a double. For #2: Since nobody is using single shot baskets, and no reputable coffee shop is setting aside split shots to use in someone else's drink, the only time it would make sense to make a coffee from a single shot is if it would be too intense with a double (hard to imagine). The alternative is just wasting coffee in most cases except when you're lucky and your customers order drinks where you can use the other split shot. But I don't really see anyone splitting shots for milk drinks, maybe I've not paid enough attention as I don't drink them that often. Either way, you're still brewing a double shot. You can again, just watch what they're doing. I've never seen a coffee shop where you can't see the bar and the machine. Just watch what happens. Lastly, you can't dial in a single shot basket and a double shot basket at the same time, you need to have dedicated grinders dialled in for both. Nobody outside of Italy bothers with that. For specialty cafes you'd be doubling the number of dialled in grinders which would be especially impractical.
- layoric 2y ago
  > you need to have dedicated grinders dialled in for both. Nobody outside of Italy bothers with that. Huh? Most cafe's I see (Australia) the grinding is separate from the dispensing, and it is a single shot per pull. It's a big world out there mate, might be more of an isolated cultural thing than you realize or my neck of the woods is special. Either way, likely varies.
  - Arch-TK 2y ago

rlupi 2y ago

> Outside of Italy nobody uses single shot baskets. Some Swiss coffee shops do that, but we are close to Italy here. Lots of Italians live here and would be very unhappy without their espressos.