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We're tired of funneling people and money into this meat grinder. We want peace, we see a potential peace deal, and you don't want to stop until Russia is "defe
by brink 2y ago
We're tired of funneling people and money into this meat grinder. We want peace, we see a potential peace deal, and you don't want to stop until Russia is "defeated", and we're just saying good luck with that. We don't have the war-lust that you do, and for that, we're "crazy"?
- LunaSea 2y agoNo war lust but you're threatening Gaza, Canada, Panama and Greenland?
- apeescape 2y agoImagine if Russia decided it wanted Alaska, and there'd be a stalemate meat grinder conflict in that area, and your European allies, who've been your closest supporters, were like "just give Putin what he wants bro. Who even cares about a little bit of Alaska? We're tired of supporting you and just want you to make peace, and will coordinate with Russia to knock some sense in you. All this talk of you wanting to 'defeat Russia' is just silly, gl with that"
- brink 2y agoIf we want to fight it out, we'll fight it out. But we wouldn't call Europe crazy for not wanting to funnel their own money into it. Be real.
- LunaSea 2y agoAmerica absolutely did call France crazy when they refused to invade Iraq with America.
- brink 2y agoAnd what - you're saying they should have? Like we should now? We should all just go to war all the time whenever someone calls for it?
- LunaSea 2y agoWell by definition, when its your allies you should. That's why France as well as the rest of NATO followed the US in Afghanistan.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoNo they are responding to your statement: "But we wouldn't call Europe crazy" with "um, you actually did."
- apeescape 2y agoIt's not only about the money either. The even bigger blow is the whole 180 the US government has made, now actively aiding Russia instead of Europe. If it was just about the money, it would be a bit easier to understand (though still a big blow to the mutual understanding of what is worth defending in the world). If it was about the money, the US would happily _sell_ equipment to Ukraine and let the EU foot the bill. That doesn't seem to be the case though.
- Muromec 2y agoShutting down intelligence was not about money
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago'Freedom fries' bro. 'Freedom fries'.
- blooalien 2y agoFreedom Toast! ...mmhm... Yup!
- lexandstuff 2y agoWhat "potential peace deal" are you talking about? Russia has no interest in peace while they have so many allies in the Whitehouse. Meanwhile they continue to bomb and kill Ukrainians.
- jgilias 2y agoHave you said thank you once!?!? /s
- jgilias 2y agoWhat kind of “peace” though? The kind of peace that Bucha got when it was under occupation? Murder of civilians, torture chambers, rapes? Do you even have the slightest idea of the humanitarian catastrophe that this “peace” would be for Ukrainians after three years of fierce fighting? Wanting to reduce your expense is one thing. But that’s not what you’re doing. You’re actively aiding Russia at the moment. To the point of pressuring private companies to not share satellite data, and threatening to cut off Starlink that Poland is paying for.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoAfter the recent move Putin is unwilling to have a cease fire. https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 Russian leader Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on 6 March. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-6-2025 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...
- insane_dreamer 2y ago1. Who is “we”? The Ukraine are the ones who are invaded. 2. What potential peace deal? No peace deal has actually been provided by the US. 3. Who should decide whether the Ukraine gives up its territory, the Ukraine or the US?