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Is there much overlap in Trump and Sanders policy views? I wouldn't expect voters for either candidate to agree with much from the other candidate, but maybe I

Is there much overlap in Trump and Sanders policy views? I wouldn't expect voters for either candidate to agree with much from the other candidate, but maybe I don't know their platforms well enough to see the similarities.

speed_spread 2y ago
Trump doesn't "have policy views". Trump _is_ the policy and the view.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Trump surely has policy views. Maybe they aren't consistent, and he often speaks contradictory to whatever his views are, but you're underestimating him if you believe his has no views. If you consider him a threat, underestimating him sounds dangerous > Trump _is_ the policy and the view. That may be true for voters, I know quite a few Trump voters that only care to vote for him and couldn't explain any coherent policy reason for preferring him. That has no bearing on Trump's own policies or views though.
  - sangnoir 2y ago
    > I know quite a few Trump voters that only care to vote for him and couldn't explain any coherent policy reason for preferring him Perhaps the reasons can't be mentioned in polite company.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      I assume you mean they're racist. Yes I do know one openly racist person who happened to vite for Trump. I don't think he voted for Trump for that reason though, he's just been a republican voter for decades if I'm not mistaken.
      - sangnoir 2y ago
        No, I mean they'd rather not verbalize why they want Trump in office. Like one of his voters mentioned during his first term when she felt he wasn't "hurting who he's supposed to". A surprising number of Trump voters see him as a tool for retribution against various groups the voters' feel animosity towards. Saying this outright is probably something most are not comfortable to say to you, so they stay vague and non-specific.
        _heimdall 2y ago
        Gotcha, I totally misread that one. I would assume the same goes for some Democratic voters as well. There's a lot of hate thrown across the aisle in both directions these days. Maybe it comes more frequently from Trump's supporters, I don't know, but I've been surprised by how much blatant disregard, disrespect, and animosity I've heard from those on the left. The idea of voting for Trump was so foreign to many in the Biden/Harris bubble that anyone willing to vote for Trump must have been crazy or less than. I didn't vote for Trump (or Harris), but working in the tech industry and mostly around people who would consider themselves progressive or liberal has been pretty eye opening the last few elections. Everyone wants to be inclusive unless its political and they strongly disagree with the other side.
        sangnoir 2y ago
        > I would assume the same goes for some Democratic voters as well That's an interesting idea. Care to expound on who some Democratic voters were eager for Kamala to "hurt"?
amrocha 2y ago
The issue is that you think people are voting for policies. I don’t think that’s true anymore, and maybe it never was true.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Even more reason one wouldn't expect voters to jump candidates or parties. Given the GP comment I assumed we weren't talking about that scenario where people are only a candidate or party voter.
  - amrocha 2y ago
    I didn’t say that they’re voting for a candidate and would never change their mind either.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      What are they voting for if not policy views, a particular candidate, or a particular party?
      - amrocha 2y ago
        People vote for a candidate’s vibes but they can change their minds if a better candidate comes along!
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  People are definitely voting for policies. There was a study that found trump spent a higher percent of time talking about policies than Hillary. The PBS documentary on 2016 had an anecdote than in 2016 the trump rally crowd would chant things that became trump policies.

speed_spread 2y ago

Trump doesn't "have policy views". Trump _is_ the policy and the view.

_heimdall 2y ago
Trump surely has policy views. Maybe they aren't consistent, and he often speaks contradictory to whatever his views are, but you're underestimating him if you believe his has no views. If you consider him a threat, underestimating him sounds dangerous > Trump _is_ the policy and the view. That may be true for voters, I know quite a few Trump voters that only care to vote for him and couldn't explain any coherent policy reason for preferring him. That has no bearing on Trump's own policies or views though.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > I know quite a few Trump voters that only care to vote for him and couldn't explain any coherent policy reason for preferring him Perhaps the reasons can't be mentioned in polite company.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    I assume you mean they're racist. Yes I do know one openly racist person who happened to vite for Trump. I don't think he voted for Trump for that reason though, he's just been a republican voter for decades if I'm not mistaken.
    - sangnoir 2y ago
      No, I mean they'd rather not verbalize why they want Trump in office. Like one of his voters mentioned during his first term when she felt he wasn't "hurting who he's supposed to". A surprising number of Trump voters see him as a tool for retribution against various groups the voters' feel animosity towards. Saying this outright is probably something most are not comfortable to say to you, so they stay vague and non-specific.
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        Gotcha, I totally misread that one. I would assume the same goes for some Democratic voters as well. There's a lot of hate thrown across the aisle in both directions these days. Maybe it comes more frequently from Trump's supporters, I don't know, but I've been surprised by how much blatant disregard, disrespect, and animosity I've heard from those on the left. The idea of voting for Trump was so foreign to many in the Biden/Harris bubble that anyone willing to vote for Trump must have been crazy or less than. I didn't vote for Trump (or Harris), but working in the tech industry and mostly around people who would consider themselves progressive or liberal has been pretty eye opening the last few elections. Everyone wants to be inclusive unless its political and they strongly disagree with the other side.
        sangnoir 2y ago
        > I would assume the same goes for some Democratic voters as well That's an interesting idea. Care to expound on who some Democratic voters were eager for Kamala to "hurt"?

amrocha 2y ago

The issue is that you think people are voting for policies. I don’t think that’s true anymore, and maybe it never was true.

_heimdall 2y ago
Even more reason one wouldn't expect voters to jump candidates or parties. Given the GP comment I assumed we weren't talking about that scenario where people are only a candidate or party voter.
- amrocha 2y ago
  I didn’t say that they’re voting for a candidate and would never change their mind either.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    What are they voting for if not policy views, a particular candidate, or a particular party?
    - amrocha 2y ago
      People vote for a candidate’s vibes but they can change their minds if a better candidate comes along!
throwaway48476 2y ago
People are definitely voting for policies. There was a study that found trump spent a higher percent of time talking about policies than Hillary. The PBS documentary on 2016 had an anecdote than in 2016 the trump rally crowd would chant things that became trump policies.