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I don’t know how much it’s worth but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo

I don’t know how much it’s worth but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...: “On 27 May 2006, President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair announced that "Both governments agree that the UK will have the ability to successfully operate, upgrade, employ, and maintain the Joint Strike Fighter such that the UK retains operational sovereignty over the aircraft." In December 2006, an agreement was signed which met the UK's demands for further participation, i.e., access to software source code and operational sovereignty. The agreement allows "an unbroken British chain of command" for operation of the aircraft.”

gonzo41 2y ago
If you can't make every part of the plane it's not really yours.
- Aachen 2y ago
  I can't forge metal but I feel like my forks in my kitchen are mine because I can operate and maintain them until they fundamentally break. I do think that's ownership But I agree there's more than one way to view ownership and I can see your point, even if I don't think I agree so long as the UK can truly operate it in every way, including software that might need adapting (like how I might bend my fork's prong back into shape, or out of shape for adaptations)
  - gonzo41 2y ago
    For forks fine. But military equipment breaks all the time. And the maintenance requirements on things like jets are 4:1 or greater. So having a jet down because a part is missing and not able to be supplied is a real issue.
- Someone 2y ago
  Can the USA make every part of the F35? https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-35 https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-3...: “The F-35's manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, states that currently around 25% of the F-35's components are manufactured in Europe.” That doesn’t say the USA cannot make every part, but I think it’s likely they will have trouble producing some of them. For example, https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-35-fighter-jet/ https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-3... states the F35 has Martin Baker ejection seats and the F35B has Rolls-Royce engines.
timeon 2y ago
When things get serious agreement is not going to help (case in point: Budapest Memorandum - from which ever angle).

gonzo41 2y ago

If you can't make every part of the plane it's not really yours.

Aachen 2y ago
I can't forge metal but I feel like my forks in my kitchen are mine because I can operate and maintain them until they fundamentally break. I do think that's ownership But I agree there's more than one way to view ownership and I can see your point, even if I don't think I agree so long as the UK can truly operate it in every way, including software that might need adapting (like how I might bend my fork's prong back into shape, or out of shape for adaptations)
- gonzo41 2y ago
  For forks fine. But military equipment breaks all the time. And the maintenance requirements on things like jets are 4:1 or greater. So having a jet down because a part is missing and not able to be supplied is a real issue.
Someone 2y ago
Can the USA make every part of the F35? https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-35 https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-3...: “The F-35's manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, states that currently around 25% of the F-35's components are manufactured in Europe.” That doesn’t say the USA cannot make every part, but I think it’s likely they will have trouble producing some of them. For example, https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-35-fighter-jet/ https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-3... states the F35 has Martin Baker ejection seats and the F35B has Rolls-Royce engines.

timeon 2y ago

When things get serious agreement is not going to help (case in point: Budapest Memorandum - from which ever angle).