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Other way around. Job seekers are attempting to survive, job boards aren't doing enough to make matchmaking easier.

by pluto_modadic 2y ago

linsomniac 2y ago
>job boards aren't doing enough to make matchmaking easier Concrete suggestions?
- ghaff 2y ago
  Companies often rely on referrals/personal recommendations. But that sort of puts the finger on the scale against applicants who don't have an in. Random applications whether online or otherwise have always been pretty much of a crap shoot. To the degree you put substantial barriers in place I'm probably not going to bother if I know it's a numbers game with odds stacked against me.
  - linsomniac 2y ago
    Yep, personal recommendations are huge, but not just because random applicants aren't given a chance... Our last hiring round we got probably 200 applicants. At least 95% seemed to just be automated submissions, no cover letter just a resume, despite our application asking specifically for a cover saying why you were a great fit. We had 3 of our most senior people reviewing these applications (our of a company of 8). Most of the time we were digging through dense resumes trying to pick out the 1 or 2 things that matched our technology stack. We figure the cover is the place you tell us why we should talk to you if you only have 1-2 technology overlap, so most resumes we spent 30-60 seconds on and then ditched. We interviewed 3 people out of that, and they were both really super junior. We were considering hiring one of them as a "maybe she could learn the position". Then I sent out one more round of "if you know anyone" to my personal network (which I had previously done a few months earlier), and got one personal reference to a guy we ended up hiring.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      "Everyone" these days tells me that the situation with relatively undifferentiated junior devs is a real mess.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Don’t really disagree. A lot of people probably conclude that a cold call is a numbers game and they’re not wholly wrong—so they, ahem, phone it in making it sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Other way around. Job seekers are attempting to survive, job boards aren't doing enough to make matchmaking easier.

linsomniac 2y ago

>job boards aren't doing enough to make matchmaking easier Concrete suggestions?

ghaff 2y ago
Companies often rely on referrals/personal recommendations. But that sort of puts the finger on the scale against applicants who don't have an in. Random applications whether online or otherwise have always been pretty much of a crap shoot. To the degree you put substantial barriers in place I'm probably not going to bother if I know it's a numbers game with odds stacked against me.
- linsomniac 2y ago
  Yep, personal recommendations are huge, but not just because random applicants aren't given a chance... Our last hiring round we got probably 200 applicants. At least 95% seemed to just be automated submissions, no cover letter just a resume, despite our application asking specifically for a cover saying why you were a great fit. We had 3 of our most senior people reviewing these applications (our of a company of 8). Most of the time we were digging through dense resumes trying to pick out the 1 or 2 things that matched our technology stack. We figure the cover is the place you tell us why we should talk to you if you only have 1-2 technology overlap, so most resumes we spent 30-60 seconds on and then ditched. We interviewed 3 people out of that, and they were both really super junior. We were considering hiring one of them as a "maybe she could learn the position". Then I sent out one more round of "if you know anyone" to my personal network (which I had previously done a few months earlier), and got one personal reference to a guy we ended up hiring.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    "Everyone" these days tells me that the situation with relatively undifferentiated junior devs is a real mess.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Don’t really disagree. A lot of people probably conclude that a cold call is a numbers game and they’re not wholly wrong—so they, ahem, phone it in making it sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.