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This is precisely correct. Briefly, the parts of the map that voted for Trump are largely known as flyover country. To oversimplify things, the people in this

This is precisely correct. Briefly, the parts of the map that voted for Trump are largely known as flyover country. To oversimplify things, the people in this area have been neglected and talked down to by some portion of the political apparatus as far back as they can remember. In some cases, the vote for Trump wasn't meant to be anything more than punitive. To get a rise out of the politically aligned groups that can afford to fly over and - literally - look down on.

whatshisface 2y ago
Farm subsidies and other special programs have been flowing to "flyover country" at an enhanced rate for almost a century (for about as long as the government has done things like that) as a result of the constitutional rule that says each state gets two senators regardless of population. The trade war is presently creating an economic crisis for those farmers, who primarily sell their crops outside the US.
brookst 2y ago
Kind of true but also kind of victim-blaming. Part of the reason many people consider those areas “flyovers” is that minorities, women, gays, nerds, really lots of people, can expect to get treated very badly in those areas. Now, maybe there’s an obligation to turn the other cheek, reach out, and try to educate people in flyovers. But it is far too reductive to act like the blame points one way here and it’s just snobby elites who have abandoned these populations.
- epistasis 2y ago
  I think this is where "flyover" talk is so useless. Look at Minneapolis, and Minnesota in general. Wealthy, hugely diverse, amazingly Red rural areas and unbelievably Blue urban areas. It's a lot like California, honestly.
- arrobbiato 2y ago
  I spend a lot of time in the “flyover” areas, and this is simply not true at all. Maybe it was long ago, but we are no longer living in that age. It seems like the media want to portray middle America as some kind of medieval redneck nightmare thunderdome, for reasons I cannot fathom.
  - peder 2y ago
    I'm not even sure it was ever true. I think it's just become part of the folklore of urban leftists, potentially as a way to justify their lives even when nobody was demanding a justification.
- bavell 2y ago
  > Part of the reason many people consider those areas “flyovers” is that minorities, women, gays, nerds, really lots of people, can expect to get treated very badly in those areas. It's not all roses and butterflies but a blanket statement like "women/gays/nerds/minorities get treated very badly" in these areas is laughable and very "online"/detached from reality. Very snobby elitist take tbh.
- tastyfreeze 2y ago
  Oof. Please go visit "flyover county". Its just more Americans trying to make a good life for their families.
  - brookst 2y ago
    I have visited. My long-haired male traveling companion got homophonic slurs yelled at him in the street twice in four days. I’m sure those yelling were trying to make a good life for their families by chasing undesirables out, and I suppose it worked.
canuckintime 2y ago
Flyover states versus costal states is too simplistic and inaccurate. A more accurate reduction is rural+suburban (isolated insular) communities versus urban (integrated diverse) communities.

whatshisface 2y ago

Farm subsidies and other special programs have been flowing to "flyover country" at an enhanced rate for almost a century (for about as long as the government has done things like that) as a result of the constitutional rule that says each state gets two senators regardless of population. The trade war is presently creating an economic crisis for those farmers, who primarily sell their crops outside the US.

brookst 2y ago

Kind of true but also kind of victim-blaming. Part of the reason many people consider those areas “flyovers” is that minorities, women, gays, nerds, really lots of people, can expect to get treated very badly in those areas. Now, maybe there’s an obligation to turn the other cheek, reach out, and try to educate people in flyovers. But it is far too reductive to act like the blame points one way here and it’s just snobby elites who have abandoned these populations.

epistasis 2y ago
I think this is where "flyover" talk is so useless. Look at Minneapolis, and Minnesota in general. Wealthy, hugely diverse, amazingly Red rural areas and unbelievably Blue urban areas. It's a lot like California, honestly.
arrobbiato 2y ago
I spend a lot of time in the “flyover” areas, and this is simply not true at all. Maybe it was long ago, but we are no longer living in that age. It seems like the media want to portray middle America as some kind of medieval redneck nightmare thunderdome, for reasons I cannot fathom.
- peder 2y ago
  I'm not even sure it was ever true. I think it's just become part of the folklore of urban leftists, potentially as a way to justify their lives even when nobody was demanding a justification.
bavell 2y ago
> Part of the reason many people consider those areas “flyovers” is that minorities, women, gays, nerds, really lots of people, can expect to get treated very badly in those areas. It's not all roses and butterflies but a blanket statement like "women/gays/nerds/minorities get treated very badly" in these areas is laughable and very "online"/detached from reality. Very snobby elitist take tbh.
tastyfreeze 2y ago
Oof. Please go visit "flyover county". Its just more Americans trying to make a good life for their families.
- brookst 2y ago
  I have visited. My long-haired male traveling companion got homophonic slurs yelled at him in the street twice in four days. I’m sure those yelling were trying to make a good life for their families by chasing undesirables out, and I suppose it worked.

canuckintime 2y ago

Flyover states versus costal states is too simplistic and inaccurate. A more accurate reduction is rural+suburban (isolated insular) communities versus urban (integrated diverse) communities.