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You were flooring it on start? Jesus of piston rings, forgive them, for they know not what wear they put on their bearing surfaces

by psd1 2y ago

jillesvangurp 2y ago
The clutch pedal, not the gas pedal. You are supposed to also use the brakes. So, it's a two feet operation. Two feet, three pedals. Bad things happen if you mess with the clutch and the gas pedal at the same time. Automatic gears are a great thing. I live in Europe so I learned to drive using manual gears. I find driving automatic gears is less stressful and easier. I kind of prefer it. Anyway, electric cars have no need for gears / clutches. And they have regenerative braking. One pedal operation is pretty nice.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > Bad things happen if you mess with the clutch and the gas pedal at the same time. Need to do it, though, when downshifting and double-clutching to set up for a hard turn!
Brian_K_White 2y ago
No. The clutch pedal. With a manual transmission it is possible to start the engine without the starter if the car is moving. You press the clutch, put the transmission into whatever gear makes sense for the speed, release the clutch briefly. You can do it from a dead stop by pushing the car if you're on a level surface, on a hill, or at highway speed. Most cars for decades now have had some form of disabling the starter unless the clutch is pressed, and pressed all the way. That does make sense in the normal case when the car is not moving. If the car is parked, you usually do not want the starter to make the car move. If the clutch is not pressed all the way, then the car might move when the starter turns over the engine. That car apparently also disabled the ignition, or maybe they were trying to use the starter instead of pop starting. Can't tell which from what they said. You could do it either way in that situation where the car is already moving at higway speed. "Don't allow starter without clutch" isn't always right though, just usually. It can be useful to intentionally use the starter to move the car. My 97 4runner has a factory button on the dash specifically to allow the starter to run without pressing the clutch one time. (it resets for each turn of the key) Instead of disabling the spark, in this vehicle they disable the starter if the clutch isn't pressed. Turn the key all the way and the starter just doesn't go. The option to override that is intended for getting the vehicle unstuck from mud by using the starter motor to craw very slow in low gear, slower than the engine can go. But I only ever use it to start in neutral without getting into and back out of the car, usually to warm it up in winter but sometimes while working on it or wanting the engine for electricity temporarily while camping or working or something.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  A couple of times I needed to lurch the car forward a bit without starting it, such as getting it up on a ramp so I can fix it. I've push started a car many times. I've also had the engine quit while driving, and would pop the clutch to kick it over to get it started again.

You were flooring it on start? Jesus of piston rings, forgive them, for they know not what wear they put on their bearing surfaces

by psd1 2y ago

You were flooring it on start? Jesus of piston rings, forgive them, for they know not what wear they put on their bearing surfaces

jillesvangurp 2y ago

The clutch pedal, not the gas pedal. You are supposed to also use the brakes. So, it's a two feet operation. Two feet, three pedals. Bad things happen if you mess with the clutch and the gas pedal at the same time. Automatic gears are a great thing. I live in Europe so I learned to drive using manual gears. I find driving automatic gears is less stressful and easier. I kind of prefer it. Anyway, electric cars have no need for gears / clutches. And they have regenerative braking. One pedal operation is pretty nice.

WalterBright 2y ago
> Bad things happen if you mess with the clutch and the gas pedal at the same time. Need to do it, though, when downshifting and double-clutching to set up for a hard turn!

Brian_K_White 2y ago

No. The clutch pedal. With a manual transmission it is possible to start the engine without the starter if the car is moving. You press the clutch, put the transmission into whatever gear makes sense for the speed, release the clutch briefly. You can do it from a dead stop by pushing the car if you're on a level surface, on a hill, or at highway speed. Most cars for decades now have had some form of disabling the starter unless the clutch is pressed, and pressed all the way. That does make sense in the normal case when the car is not moving. If the car is parked, you usually do not want the starter to make the car move. If the clutch is not pressed all the way, then the car might move when the starter turns over the engine. That car apparently also disabled the ignition, or maybe they were trying to use the starter instead of pop starting. Can't tell which from what they said. You could do it either way in that situation where the car is already moving at higway speed. "Don't allow starter without clutch" isn't always right though, just usually. It can be useful to intentionally use the starter to move the car. My 97 4runner has a factory button on the dash specifically to allow the starter to run without pressing the clutch one time. (it resets for each turn of the key) Instead of disabling the spark, in this vehicle they disable the starter if the clutch isn't pressed. Turn the key all the way and the starter just doesn't go. The option to override that is intended for getting the vehicle unstuck from mud by using the starter motor to craw very slow in low gear, slower than the engine can go. But I only ever use it to start in neutral without getting into and back out of the car, usually to warm it up in winter but sometimes while working on it or wanting the engine for electricity temporarily while camping or working or something.

WalterBright 2y ago
A couple of times I needed to lurch the car forward a bit without starting it, such as getting it up on a ramp so I can fix it. I've push started a car many times. I've also had the engine quit while driving, and would pop the clutch to kick it over to get it started again.