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> Zelensky has made statements that indicates he wants the war to go on forever No, he wants security guarantees. Without them, putin will attack again and war

> Zelensky has made statements that indicates he wants the war to go on forever No, he wants security guarantees. Without them, putin will attack again and war will go on forever. He wants security guarantees because that is the only way to ensure peace. So much so that he offered to step down in exchange to join NATO.

0xy 2y ago
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- zfg 2y ago
  > "Whatever the cost" could not be more clear. There's a simple solution to that. The war can end tomorrow. All Russia needs to do is get out of Ukraine. All of it. Simple to do, easy to achieve. No more Russians need to die. What cost is there to Russia to get out of Ukraine but the bruising of Putin's ego? That is a small price to pay.
  - 0xy 2y ago
    Why do you suggest a side that is undoubtedly winning forget about their hundreds of thousands dead and simply withdraw? It's like saying the US should've surrendered to Japan after the first bomb. Japan knew they were in an unwinnable position, unlike Ukraine. Ukraine is simply unable to win, and the options are only to negotiate or to continue feeding the meat grinder with Ukrainian men and women. Simple choice.
    - zfg 2y ago
      > Why do you suggest a side that is undoubtedly winning forget about their hundreds of thousands dead and simply withdraw? Why do you suggest that a side that has valiantly resisted the invader forget about their hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded and simply submit? Putin thinks Ukraine is not a real country. Putin thinks Ukrainians are not a real people. Putin thought he could flip Ukraine in three days. Ukraine has spent three years explaining to him that he is wrong. Russian apathy and nihilism won't ever change that.
      - 0xy 2y ago
        There's nothing to be gained by allowing one corrupt regime to battle another corrupt regime, explicitly promising to never negotiate an end to the fighting and guaranteeing millions more Ukrainian men and women get maimed and shredded by the war machine. Accepting forever war is evil and you are supporting the thousands more Ukrainians who will be killed. Zelensky has repeatedly and explicitly stated he supports forever war 'at any cost'.
        zfg 2y ago
        > There's nothing to be gained by allowing one corrupt regime to battle another corrupt regime This is the least ambiguous war you're ever likely to see. There is clear right and there is clear wrong. Ukraine is clearly in the right. Russia is clearly in the wrong. Submission to the aggression of an authoritarian regime that has invaded your nation is the dumbest, most nihilistic, most futureless choice available. It's not rational to choose it.
    - throwaway519 2y ago
      Russia is not winning. This is enturely the point the FUD is in overtime. Russia does not have 1 year of equipment losses left.
      - 0xy 2y ago
        They've gained thousands of square kilometers in 2024, and Russia is using $200 commodity drones to fight $1,000,000 US-provided Javelin missiles. They can replenish easily, while US supply chains will take 5-7 years to even replenish the equipment already deployed in several categories. Russian gains are accelerating too. It doesn't take a Putin shill to see blatant reality, so why bother denying basic reality? Analysts believe Ukraine will collapse completely in 4 months without further US assistance. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/05/world/americas/ukraine-us-weapons-suspension.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/05/world/americas/ukraine-us...
- atoav 2y ago
  Russia attacked Ukraine. They do not deserve to get any land unless the US wants to now signal "if you have the bigger military, just go and try to take land, you might just get it". So if you want to give Trump a short polticial win, cool. But if you want to stop future wars trying to force the smaller and innocent nation into a peace at any cost has some historic precedent. Do you know which historic prrcedent I might be talking about and what happened after? The long lasting peace we had was a result of a rules based order. Trump and Putin wants to bring back raw strength into geopolitics, which will lead to an era of wars.

0xy 2y ago

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zfg 2y ago
> "Whatever the cost" could not be more clear. There's a simple solution to that. The war can end tomorrow. All Russia needs to do is get out of Ukraine. All of it. Simple to do, easy to achieve. No more Russians need to die. What cost is there to Russia to get out of Ukraine but the bruising of Putin's ego? That is a small price to pay.
- 0xy 2y ago
  Why do you suggest a side that is undoubtedly winning forget about their hundreds of thousands dead and simply withdraw? It's like saying the US should've surrendered to Japan after the first bomb. Japan knew they were in an unwinnable position, unlike Ukraine. Ukraine is simply unable to win, and the options are only to negotiate or to continue feeding the meat grinder with Ukrainian men and women. Simple choice.
  - zfg 2y ago
    > Why do you suggest a side that is undoubtedly winning forget about their hundreds of thousands dead and simply withdraw? Why do you suggest that a side that has valiantly resisted the invader forget about their hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded and simply submit? Putin thinks Ukraine is not a real country. Putin thinks Ukrainians are not a real people. Putin thought he could flip Ukraine in three days. Ukraine has spent three years explaining to him that he is wrong. Russian apathy and nihilism won't ever change that.
    - 0xy 2y ago
      There's nothing to be gained by allowing one corrupt regime to battle another corrupt regime, explicitly promising to never negotiate an end to the fighting and guaranteeing millions more Ukrainian men and women get maimed and shredded by the war machine. Accepting forever war is evil and you are supporting the thousands more Ukrainians who will be killed. Zelensky has repeatedly and explicitly stated he supports forever war 'at any cost'.
      - zfg 2y ago
        > There's nothing to be gained by allowing one corrupt regime to battle another corrupt regime This is the least ambiguous war you're ever likely to see. There is clear right and there is clear wrong. Ukraine is clearly in the right. Russia is clearly in the wrong. Submission to the aggression of an authoritarian regime that has invaded your nation is the dumbest, most nihilistic, most futureless choice available. It's not rational to choose it.
  - throwaway519 2y ago
    Russia is not winning. This is enturely the point the FUD is in overtime. Russia does not have 1 year of equipment losses left.
    - 0xy 2y ago
      They've gained thousands of square kilometers in 2024, and Russia is using $200 commodity drones to fight $1,000,000 US-provided Javelin missiles. They can replenish easily, while US supply chains will take 5-7 years to even replenish the equipment already deployed in several categories. Russian gains are accelerating too. It doesn't take a Putin shill to see blatant reality, so why bother denying basic reality? Analysts believe Ukraine will collapse completely in 4 months without further US assistance. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/05/world/americas/ukraine-us-weapons-suspension.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/05/world/americas/ukraine-us...
atoav 2y ago
Russia attacked Ukraine. They do not deserve to get any land unless the US wants to now signal "if you have the bigger military, just go and try to take land, you might just get it". So if you want to give Trump a short polticial win, cool. But if you want to stop future wars trying to force the smaller and innocent nation into a peace at any cost has some historic precedent. Do you know which historic prrcedent I might be talking about and what happened after? The long lasting peace we had was a result of a rules based order. Trump and Putin wants to bring back raw strength into geopolitics, which will lead to an era of wars.