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I mean, have you ever seen things work out for a whistleblower? At best, they get some 15 minutes of praise. At worst, straight to jail. I don’t work anywhere

I mean, have you ever seen things work out for a whistleblower? At best, they get some 15 minutes of praise. At worst, straight to jail. I don’t work anywhere near academia. I still wouldn’t blow the whistle or advise others to do so.

watwut 2y ago
Academic whistle-blower won't go to jail. Government ones do and big companies ones do.
- fastball 2y ago
  Which company whistle-blower has gone to jail?
  - dmurray 2y ago
    The Libor bankers, for example [0]. Were they completely innocent? Nobody is completely innocent, Cardinal Richelieu knew that. But they were definitely whistleblowers who went to jail. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60561679 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60561679
- otherme123 2y ago
  Your career is done. Academics tend to rule themselves: think peer review, but for everything. You apply for a grant, and you are in bad terms with the reviewers for some critics? You get nothing. The editors of the Journals are also scientists. Are you in bad terms with a friend of the editor? "Nice work, but it doesn't fit our journal", also let me send some emails to get sure you don't get published in first decile, or your paper gets slowed down for months. You deserve the Nobel prize, but you critisized the work of someone? You get nothing! Swedish chemist Arrhenius blocked the Nobel price for Mendeleev because the later make some valid scientific critics the former didn't like.
tim333 2y ago
I'm not sure if Elisabeth Bik is exactly a whistleblower but she's doing ok https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/theres-fraud-in-science-a-new-fund-seeks-to-tackle-it-396262 https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/theres-fra... >Bik’s venture into scientific sleuthing began as a hobby when she detected duplicated western blot images in a PhD thesis. Now full time.
RachelF 2y ago
>"At worst, straight to jail." The "at worst" is worse: Two recent Boeing whistleblowers died in rather suspicious circumstances.
- firefax 2y ago
  I'd rather get a bullet in the head than spend any substantial amount of time in an American prison.

watwut 2y ago

Academic whistle-blower won't go to jail. Government ones do and big companies ones do.

fastball 2y ago
Which company whistle-blower has gone to jail?
- dmurray 2y ago
  The Libor bankers, for example [0]. Were they completely innocent? Nobody is completely innocent, Cardinal Richelieu knew that. But they were definitely whistleblowers who went to jail. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60561679 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60561679
otherme123 2y ago
Your career is done. Academics tend to rule themselves: think peer review, but for everything. You apply for a grant, and you are in bad terms with the reviewers for some critics? You get nothing. The editors of the Journals are also scientists. Are you in bad terms with a friend of the editor? "Nice work, but it doesn't fit our journal", also let me send some emails to get sure you don't get published in first decile, or your paper gets slowed down for months. You deserve the Nobel prize, but you critisized the work of someone? You get nothing! Swedish chemist Arrhenius blocked the Nobel price for Mendeleev because the later make some valid scientific critics the former didn't like.

tim333 2y ago

I'm not sure if Elisabeth Bik is exactly a whistleblower but she's doing ok https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/theres-fraud-in-science-a-new-fund-seeks-to-tackle-it-396262 https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/theres-fra... >Bik’s venture into scientific sleuthing began as a hobby when she detected duplicated western blot images in a PhD thesis. Now full time.

RachelF 2y ago

>"At worst, straight to jail." The "at worst" is worse: Two recent Boeing whistleblowers died in rather suspicious circumstances.

firefax 2y ago
I'd rather get a bullet in the head than spend any substantial amount of time in an American prison.