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Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B and so increasingly easy to get excess B12. Australian formulations of magnesium sold by Swisse don't have

by ggm 2y ago

Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B and so increasingly easy to get excess B12. Australian formulations of magnesium sold by Swisse don't have B. The same branding in HK does. I wrote to them about it, interesting response: "check the therapeutic goods administration site for canonical ingredients we don't commit to labelling the jar" they do list the neutral filler and Mg they just don't say "no B12" B is typically included for synergistic uptake reasons I believe. Excess B12 is really bad. Neuropathy. Considering you take Mg to get rid of muscle cramps (pain, conducted by nerves), a bit ironic. It's increasingly common in Australia now. Excess Mg is unlikely. I think the body chucks it out in Urine pretty rapidly. I still take it, the cramps after sport return within a few months when I stop. I have a fruit and veg rich diet, I get plenty of natural Mg and K which is also good for muscle cramps. Age related insufficiency I suspect (63) malabsorption comes with age.

chinathrow 2y ago
My doc said there is no scientific proof that Mg works against cramps. Is that true?
- ggm 2y ago
  I'd always believe a doctor over anonymous internet experiences. If your doctor thinks it's not helpful, follow their advice. I found my cramps stopped, but anecdata is not evidence.
  - askvictor 2y ago
    While _on the whole_ I would side with doctors over random people on the Internet, I've had a number of cases where the doctor has been outright wrong, whether misdiagnosis, or not being up to date with current research.
  - toast0 2y ago
    The doctor didn't say it doesn't work. Just that it's not scientific. But if your lived experience says it works, it doesn't really need to have scientific evidence. The real question is if there is evidence that relevant doesea of magnesium supplements are harmful, and if so, how those harms compare to the cramps you're experiencing. There's all sorts of unscientific stuff out there, some of which is harmful. But if it's not harmful, it's worth trying. If you get frequent cramps and you don't want to try magnesium supplements, you could try going out of your way to eat more foods that are known to be high in magnesium, most of which are generally considered healthy and there you go; choosing to eat a bit more leafy greens doesn't feel risky unless you've got an alergy. Having a banana to get potasium should be fine for most too, unless the fruit sugar is a problem or if there's an allergy.
- mantas 2y ago
  But it works for me and I know more anecdata cases. Maybe it depends on technical cause of what seems to be cramps. And maybe it helps indirectly by helping some other process in the body. But in ny experience there’s direct correlation between magnesium intake and cramps and nail health. I’ve a feeling genetics may be involved since my kid also has similar tendencies. And doctor we went to for his night cramps did suggest magnesium which worked. So whether there’s research or not, doctors do suggest it and it does seem to help at least in some cases.
- haltcatchfire 2y ago
  As always with supplements, a deficiency might cause the issue (cramps in this case) and the supplement gets you back to normal levels, preventing cramps. If you’re experiencing cramps but don’t have a magnesium deficiency, taking magnesium supplements won’t make the cramps go away.
- oweiler 2y ago
  When I started running I had horrible cramps and the mg made them much less severe. Running for a year now, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
- PeterStuer 2y ago
  From experience it does work in cases where through intensive training and very high 'sweating' both from cardio training and saunas you temd to lose a lot of minerals.
- ddorian43 2y ago
  Go train hard in heat/summer until you get cramps. Then get electolytes to fix it in a couple of minutes. Source: I can reproduce this on demand.
- sschueller 2y ago
  When I have a cramp in my calf and I take mg in powder form it goes away within a minute. I am also no longer able to trigger a cramp which I can before taking mg. I don't think a placebo would work that quick and that well.
- borgdefenser 2y ago
  I mean you should take magnesium if you are deficient on a blood test. If you take too much magnesium you will just get diarrhea. The non-blood test way would be to take magnesium until you get diarrhea and then take less but that is obviously not a pleasant experience. I take magnesium because it is really obvious when I track micro nutrients that I don't get enough in my diet. It mostly depends though on how much spinach I am eating.
  - canucker2016 2y ago
    Blood test may not be reliable indicator of magnesium in the body. from https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6316205/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6316205/ Of clinical importance, around 0.3% of total body magnesium is found in serum. Thus, total and/or ionized magnesium concentrations measured in plasma or serum are not reliable markers of total magnesium levels in the body; as serum magnesium does not reflect the total magnesium content at the tissue or organs, and is also a poor indicator of intracellular magnesium content. Emerging evidence suggests that the serum magnesium/calcium quotient (0.4 is optimal, 0.36–0.28 too low) is a more practical and sensitive indicator of magnesium status and/or turnover, than the serum magnesium level alone [19]. In chronic latent magnesium deficiency, magnesium levels in the blood are within a normal range, despite there being severely depleted magnesium content in the tissues and bones. Therefore, using magnesium levels in the blood to determine total magnesium levels in the body can result in underestimation of magnesium deficiency in healthy and diseased populations. Recent studies have shown that individuals with serum magnesium levels around 1.82 mg/dL (0.75 mmol/L) are most likely to have a magnesium deficiency, while those with serum magnesium level more than 2.07 mg/dL (0.85 mmol/L) are most likely to have adequate levels
- astura 2y ago
  Magnesium deficiency causes muscle spasms and cramps. That's a fact. If you're experiencing muscle cramps due to low magnesium then adding a supplement will almost certainly fix the problem. If you're experiencing muscle cramps for another reason, it won't work, probably. But supplements are cheap and low risk, so it's a good thing to try first. A more accurate statement would be "there is no scientific proof that Mg works against cramps [absent a Mg deficiency]."
  - ikr678 2y ago
    Last time I did a deep dive into this, found a few papers suggesting that it can be any salt imbalance (potassium, magnesium or calcium) that triggers cramps. However, potassium and calcium are a lot more prevalent in standard diets so it's usually lack of magnesium that is the culprit.
freedom_dev 2y ago
Excess B12 is also very easily excreted in urine being a water-soluble vitamin so it's really hard to "overdose" on
- ggm 2y ago
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-08/vitamin-b6-toxicity-peripheral-neuropathy-health-supplements/104793006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-08/vitamin-b6-toxicity-p... I got my Bs mixed up it's Mg + B6
  - viraptor 2y ago
    It's still hard to get a high enough dose to dangerous level from other supplements. Bad b6 effects typically start over 500mg/day. Usual pills of just b6 are 100mg in countries that don't limit it otherwise. The reviews that I've read normally described the issues as going away within days of stopping. I wish there was better research on this, because so far only weird isolated cases make the news.
    - sizzle 2y ago
      Yeah I just looked mine up they are 8mg b6 how are people hitting upper limits?
      - Havoc 2y ago
        Amazon is Full of „high potency“ stuff cause idiots think bigger number better
    - toast0 2y ago
      I'm willing to assume I'm non typical, but I definitely had temporary nerve pain effects from a B-complex supplement; I can't remember if I noticed that after the first night or the second; my spouse reported nothing like that though. Looking through my cabinet, looks like 50mg B6 pryidoxine HCl (which seems high compared to another brand I looked up and a sibling comment). Not sure why I kept those, tossed it out now. But I was really just wanting B1 and a bit more shopping found drops (annoying) and tablets with only B1 and negligble other stuff.
dhedberg 2y ago
> Excess B12 is really bad. Neuropathy. Do you have any source for this? I can find some "it-might-be-bad" studies through a quick googling, but in general the idea seem to be that excess B12 is thought to be unproblematic ("it's just peed out").
- ggm 2y ago
  B6 not B12. My bad.
  - DavidPiper 2y ago
    Can confirm, overdosing on Vitamin B6 is bad. Lots of very scary symptoms. I accidentally poisoned myself with B6 from Magnesium tablets over the course of a year: https://davids.town/vitamin-b6-overdose https://davids.town/vitamin-b6-overdose (my levels were 38x the healthy range). tl;dr: Always check your Magnesium for what else the tablet includes. If it contains Pyridoxine hydrochloride (i.e. Vitamin B6) or another Pyridoxine compound, find one that doesn't. Since then, Swisse is the only brand I've found that consistently sells "pure" Magnesium tablets here in Australia.
    - sinuhe69 2y ago
      Definitely, excess of B6 is bad! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2161831322004781 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S216183132...
    - Sunspark 2y ago
      B-vitamins are water soluble.. I take 50mg a day in a bio-available form pyridoxal-5-phosphate. Consider this form instead. I'm taking it because there is some genetic evidence that I would benefit from doing so. No neuropathies thus far but it's only been about a month and a half.
      - DavidPiper 2y ago
        I wasn't even aware I was ingesting B6, I was just taking the tablets for the magnesium (it was one of the few with the full 440mg dose I was recommended). Blood tests since then have shown that my B6 levels are fine with my usual diet, I don't take multivitamins or supplements anymore. I don't know much about B6 beyond my own experiences with it, so all I can say is make sure you've discussed it with your GP, and be aware of the coasting effect if you do happen to develop any neuropathic symptoms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavitamin-B6_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavitamin-B6_syndrome
manmal 2y ago
Maybe you mean B6, which is associated with small fiber neuropathy. B12 has to jump through a number of hoops before it‘s even converted into a usable form [1]. I‘m sure you‘re meaning well, but B12 deficiency is a wide spread problem [2], and it’s questionable that excess is worse than deficiency. 1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19832808/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19832808/#&gid=article-figur... 2: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7792587/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7792587/ EDIT: After posting, I saw your other comments. Maybe you can update parent.
- Jarmsy 2y ago
  And one reason for taking B12 is actually to prevent neuropathy.
  - manmal 2y ago
    Looking at the interactions in metabolism, I don’t see it. A low B6 diet and focus on conversion to P5P and oxidation of the excess (Aldehyde Oxidase, and maybe by proxy the ALDHs) is a safer bet.
    - Jarmsy 2y ago
      https://www.foundationforpn.org/causes/nutritional-and-vitamin-deficiency-neuropathy/ https://www.foundationforpn.org/causes/nutritional-and-vitam... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9704859/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9704859/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ene.14786 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ene.14786
giantg2 2y ago
How about Epsom salt? I've never known that to have B added.
- justinator 2y ago
  Don't eat epsom salt.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Technically you can (or as a suppository). The great part is that you don't need to.
  - zeckalpha 2y ago
    Unless you are taking it as a laxative.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    I've taken Epsom salt as directed on the drug facts label 3 times, ever, and all three times I probably avoided an urgent care/clinic visit by doing so. If you're ever so severely clogged up that you're approaching a week without - Epsom salt will, in fact, work. It works so well that I'd recommend pre/probiotic foods for a couple days afterward. It completely cleans you out. Otherwise, I agree. You have to know why you're clogged, too; if you got no clue, go see a Dr.
    - sidewndr46 2y ago
      Do you mean constipated?
      - genewitch 2y ago
        constipation is one reason, but also just a temporary, painful blockage for whatever reason. Epsom is like drano for your intestines. The dosage information is on all epsom salt packages designed to be used this way. Obviously don't ingest like, lavender scented bath salt (Sitz salt, whatever)
qwerty456127 2y ago
> Excess B12 is really bad. Neuropathy. How much really is dangerously excess? How do methylcobalamin vs cyanocobalamin compare in this regard? I noticed B12 supplements usually exceed the RDA by some orders of magnitude. > Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B Same problem with iron supplements. Not particularly easy to find iron without folic acid. Folic acid can be very harmful for people with methylation problems (an extremely widespread genetic thing) who should supplement methylfolate instead. Whoever feels stimulated and harder to sleep after taking a folic acid pill - beware.
- mint2 2y ago
  There’s a fair number of brands selling mg alone and fe alone. Maybe it’s hard outside the US? Or maybe places like target and CVS don’t carry them - those places do have limited options.
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    CVS’ own brand has Mg only https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-magnesium-glycinate-200mg-60-ct-prodid-342300 https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-magnesium-glycinate-200m...
  - astura 2y ago
    You can walk into target, Walmart, CVS, etc and have plenty of options for iron alone (which isn't widely packed with other vitamins outside a multi) and magnesium alone.
  - aaronbaugher 2y ago
    Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen Mg supplements with other stuff added. I'm currently using glycinate and taurate in powder form, and there's nothing else listed. I sprained something in my lower back badly enough about a year ago that it took four trips to the chiropractor before I could get out of bed in the morning without lots of swearing. After that, it would seem to be getting better for a few days, then regress into spasms again. After a month or so of that, I remembered that Mg is supposed to be good for tendons and ligaments. I took a good dose of Mg that night, and it was significantly better the next day, and improved from there. That's the only time in my life that I've had a clear, major difference from taking a supplement.
Beijinger 2y ago
Whatever you desire: https://purebulk.com/search?type=product&q=magnesium https://purebulk.com/search?type=product&q=magnesium Or grab these next time in Europe. 0.50 Euros effervescent tablets https://www.rossmann.de/de/gesundheit-altapharma-brausetabletten-magnesium/p/4305615614366 https://www.rossmann.de/de/gesundheit-altapharma-brausetable... I never heard about the B12 problem. But effervescent tablets without artificial sweetener are unheard off.
phendrenad2 2y ago
> Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B Really? I found plenty at popular online stores. Or are you saying that the vitamin B is undisclosed on the labels???

by ggm 2y ago

chinathrow 2y ago

My doc said there is no scientific proof that Mg works against cramps. Is that true?

ggm 2y ago
I'd always believe a doctor over anonymous internet experiences. If your doctor thinks it's not helpful, follow their advice. I found my cramps stopped, but anecdata is not evidence.
- askvictor 2y ago
  While _on the whole_ I would side with doctors over random people on the Internet, I've had a number of cases where the doctor has been outright wrong, whether misdiagnosis, or not being up to date with current research.
- toast0 2y ago
  The doctor didn't say it doesn't work. Just that it's not scientific. But if your lived experience says it works, it doesn't really need to have scientific evidence. The real question is if there is evidence that relevant doesea of magnesium supplements are harmful, and if so, how those harms compare to the cramps you're experiencing. There's all sorts of unscientific stuff out there, some of which is harmful. But if it's not harmful, it's worth trying. If you get frequent cramps and you don't want to try magnesium supplements, you could try going out of your way to eat more foods that are known to be high in magnesium, most of which are generally considered healthy and there you go; choosing to eat a bit more leafy greens doesn't feel risky unless you've got an alergy. Having a banana to get potasium should be fine for most too, unless the fruit sugar is a problem or if there's an allergy.
mantas 2y ago
But it works for me and I know more anecdata cases. Maybe it depends on technical cause of what seems to be cramps. And maybe it helps indirectly by helping some other process in the body. But in ny experience there’s direct correlation between magnesium intake and cramps and nail health. I’ve a feeling genetics may be involved since my kid also has similar tendencies. And doctor we went to for his night cramps did suggest magnesium which worked. So whether there’s research or not, doctors do suggest it and it does seem to help at least in some cases.
haltcatchfire 2y ago
As always with supplements, a deficiency might cause the issue (cramps in this case) and the supplement gets you back to normal levels, preventing cramps. If you’re experiencing cramps but don’t have a magnesium deficiency, taking magnesium supplements won’t make the cramps go away.
oweiler 2y ago
When I started running I had horrible cramps and the mg made them much less severe. Running for a year now, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
PeterStuer 2y ago
From experience it does work in cases where through intensive training and very high 'sweating' both from cardio training and saunas you temd to lose a lot of minerals.
ddorian43 2y ago
Go train hard in heat/summer until you get cramps. Then get electolytes to fix it in a couple of minutes. Source: I can reproduce this on demand.
sschueller 2y ago
When I have a cramp in my calf and I take mg in powder form it goes away within a minute. I am also no longer able to trigger a cramp which I can before taking mg. I don't think a placebo would work that quick and that well.
borgdefenser 2y ago
I mean you should take magnesium if you are deficient on a blood test. If you take too much magnesium you will just get diarrhea. The non-blood test way would be to take magnesium until you get diarrhea and then take less but that is obviously not a pleasant experience. I take magnesium because it is really obvious when I track micro nutrients that I don't get enough in my diet. It mostly depends though on how much spinach I am eating.
- canucker2016 2y ago
  Blood test may not be reliable indicator of magnesium in the body. from https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6316205/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6316205/ Of clinical importance, around 0.3% of total body magnesium is found in serum. Thus, total and/or ionized magnesium concentrations measured in plasma or serum are not reliable markers of total magnesium levels in the body; as serum magnesium does not reflect the total magnesium content at the tissue or organs, and is also a poor indicator of intracellular magnesium content. Emerging evidence suggests that the serum magnesium/calcium quotient (0.4 is optimal, 0.36–0.28 too low) is a more practical and sensitive indicator of magnesium status and/or turnover, than the serum magnesium level alone [19]. In chronic latent magnesium deficiency, magnesium levels in the blood are within a normal range, despite there being severely depleted magnesium content in the tissues and bones. Therefore, using magnesium levels in the blood to determine total magnesium levels in the body can result in underestimation of magnesium deficiency in healthy and diseased populations. Recent studies have shown that individuals with serum magnesium levels around 1.82 mg/dL (0.75 mmol/L) are most likely to have a magnesium deficiency, while those with serum magnesium level more than 2.07 mg/dL (0.85 mmol/L) are most likely to have adequate levels
astura 2y ago
Magnesium deficiency causes muscle spasms and cramps. That's a fact. If you're experiencing muscle cramps due to low magnesium then adding a supplement will almost certainly fix the problem. If you're experiencing muscle cramps for another reason, it won't work, probably. But supplements are cheap and low risk, so it's a good thing to try first. A more accurate statement would be "there is no scientific proof that Mg works against cramps [absent a Mg deficiency]."
- ikr678 2y ago
  Last time I did a deep dive into this, found a few papers suggesting that it can be any salt imbalance (potassium, magnesium or calcium) that triggers cramps. However, potassium and calcium are a lot more prevalent in standard diets so it's usually lack of magnesium that is the culprit.

freedom_dev 2y ago

Excess B12 is also very easily excreted in urine being a water-soluble vitamin so it's really hard to "overdose" on

ggm 2y ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-08/vitamin-b6-toxicity-peripheral-neuropathy-health-supplements/104793006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-08/vitamin-b6-toxicity-p... I got my Bs mixed up it's Mg + B6
- viraptor 2y ago
  It's still hard to get a high enough dose to dangerous level from other supplements. Bad b6 effects typically start over 500mg/day. Usual pills of just b6 are 100mg in countries that don't limit it otherwise. The reviews that I've read normally described the issues as going away within days of stopping. I wish there was better research on this, because so far only weird isolated cases make the news.
  - sizzle 2y ago
    Yeah I just looked mine up they are 8mg b6 how are people hitting upper limits?
    - Havoc 2y ago
      Amazon is Full of „high potency“ stuff cause idiots think bigger number better
  - toast0 2y ago
    I'm willing to assume I'm non typical, but I definitely had temporary nerve pain effects from a B-complex supplement; I can't remember if I noticed that after the first night or the second; my spouse reported nothing like that though. Looking through my cabinet, looks like 50mg B6 pryidoxine HCl (which seems high compared to another brand I looked up and a sibling comment). Not sure why I kept those, tossed it out now. But I was really just wanting B1 and a bit more shopping found drops (annoying) and tablets with only B1 and negligble other stuff.

dhedberg 2y ago

> Excess B12 is really bad. Neuropathy. Do you have any source for this? I can find some "it-might-be-bad" studies through a quick googling, but in general the idea seem to be that excess B12 is thought to be unproblematic ("it's just peed out").

ggm 2y ago
B6 not B12. My bad.
- DavidPiper 2y ago
  Can confirm, overdosing on Vitamin B6 is bad. Lots of very scary symptoms. I accidentally poisoned myself with B6 from Magnesium tablets over the course of a year: https://davids.town/vitamin-b6-overdose https://davids.town/vitamin-b6-overdose (my levels were 38x the healthy range). tl;dr: Always check your Magnesium for what else the tablet includes. If it contains Pyridoxine hydrochloride (i.e. Vitamin B6) or another Pyridoxine compound, find one that doesn't. Since then, Swisse is the only brand I've found that consistently sells "pure" Magnesium tablets here in Australia.
  - sinuhe69 2y ago
    Definitely, excess of B6 is bad! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2161831322004781 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S216183132...
  - Sunspark 2y ago
    B-vitamins are water soluble.. I take 50mg a day in a bio-available form pyridoxal-5-phosphate. Consider this form instead. I'm taking it because there is some genetic evidence that I would benefit from doing so. No neuropathies thus far but it's only been about a month and a half.
    - DavidPiper 2y ago
      I wasn't even aware I was ingesting B6, I was just taking the tablets for the magnesium (it was one of the few with the full 440mg dose I was recommended). Blood tests since then have shown that my B6 levels are fine with my usual diet, I don't take multivitamins or supplements anymore. I don't know much about B6 beyond my own experiences with it, so all I can say is make sure you've discussed it with your GP, and be aware of the coasting effect if you do happen to develop any neuropathic symptoms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavitamin-B6_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavitamin-B6_syndrome

manmal 2y ago

Maybe you mean B6, which is associated with small fiber neuropathy. B12 has to jump through a number of hoops before it‘s even converted into a usable form [1]. I‘m sure you‘re meaning well, but B12 deficiency is a wide spread problem [2], and it’s questionable that excess is worse than deficiency. 1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19832808/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19832808/#&gid=article-figur... 2: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7792587/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7792587/ EDIT: After posting, I saw your other comments. Maybe you can update parent.

Jarmsy 2y ago
And one reason for taking B12 is actually to prevent neuropathy.
- manmal 2y ago
  Looking at the interactions in metabolism, I don’t see it. A low B6 diet and focus on conversion to P5P and oxidation of the excess (Aldehyde Oxidase, and maybe by proxy the ALDHs) is a safer bet.
  - Jarmsy 2y ago
    https://www.foundationforpn.org/causes/nutritional-and-vitamin-deficiency-neuropathy/ https://www.foundationforpn.org/causes/nutritional-and-vitam... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9704859/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9704859/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ene.14786 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ene.14786

giantg2 2y ago

How about Epsom salt? I've never known that to have B added.

justinator 2y ago
Don't eat epsom salt.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Technically you can (or as a suppository). The great part is that you don't need to.
- zeckalpha 2y ago
  Unless you are taking it as a laxative.
- genewitch 2y ago
  I've taken Epsom salt as directed on the drug facts label 3 times, ever, and all three times I probably avoided an urgent care/clinic visit by doing so. If you're ever so severely clogged up that you're approaching a week without - Epsom salt will, in fact, work. It works so well that I'd recommend pre/probiotic foods for a couple days afterward. It completely cleans you out. Otherwise, I agree. You have to know why you're clogged, too; if you got no clue, go see a Dr.
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    Do you mean constipated?
    - genewitch 2y ago
      constipation is one reason, but also just a temporary, painful blockage for whatever reason. Epsom is like drano for your intestines. The dosage information is on all epsom salt packages designed to be used this way. Obviously don't ingest like, lavender scented bath salt (Sitz salt, whatever)

qwerty456127 2y ago

> Excess B12 is really bad. Neuropathy. How much really is dangerously excess? How do methylcobalamin vs cyanocobalamin compare in this regard? I noticed B12 supplements usually exceed the RDA by some orders of magnitude. > Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B Same problem with iron supplements. Not particularly easy to find iron without folic acid. Folic acid can be very harmful for people with methylation problems (an extremely widespread genetic thing) who should supplement methylfolate instead. Whoever feels stimulated and harder to sleep after taking a folic acid pill - beware.

mint2 2y ago
There’s a fair number of brands selling mg alone and fe alone. Maybe it’s hard outside the US? Or maybe places like target and CVS don’t carry them - those places do have limited options.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  CVS’ own brand has Mg only https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-magnesium-glycinate-200mg-60-ct-prodid-342300 https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-magnesium-glycinate-200m...
- astura 2y ago
  You can walk into target, Walmart, CVS, etc and have plenty of options for iron alone (which isn't widely packed with other vitamins outside a multi) and magnesium alone.
- aaronbaugher 2y ago
  Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen Mg supplements with other stuff added. I'm currently using glycinate and taurate in powder form, and there's nothing else listed. I sprained something in my lower back badly enough about a year ago that it took four trips to the chiropractor before I could get out of bed in the morning without lots of swearing. After that, it would seem to be getting better for a few days, then regress into spasms again. After a month or so of that, I remembered that Mg is supposed to be good for tendons and ligaments. I took a good dose of Mg that night, and it was significantly better the next day, and improved from there. That's the only time in my life that I've had a clear, major difference from taking a supplement.

Beijinger 2y ago

Whatever you desire: https://purebulk.com/search?type=product&q=magnesium https://purebulk.com/search?type=product&q=magnesium Or grab these next time in Europe. 0.50 Euros effervescent tablets https://www.rossmann.de/de/gesundheit-altapharma-brausetabletten-magnesium/p/4305615614366 https://www.rossmann.de/de/gesundheit-altapharma-brausetable... I never heard about the B12 problem. But effervescent tablets without artificial sweetener are unheard off.

phendrenad2 2y ago

> Increasingly hard to get Mg tablets without Vitamin B Really? I found plenty at popular online stores. Or are you saying that the vitamin B is undisclosed on the labels???