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How can you possibly like someone throwing around literal Nazi salutes? Are you unaware of that?

chneu 2y ago
Believe it or not, tons of people don't care about that. It's something that I have to constantly remind myself of. They either agree with it, don't care, or it isn't important enough. It's good when people openly admit to it because then an actual conversation can take place. When people make up dumb reasons or just won't say the truth it leads to pointless discussion.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  I find it shocking people wouldn’t care about someone in power throwing around Nazi salutes and making very Nazi-like comments.
  - chneu 2y ago
    One thing I've discovered is that capitalism has really beat many americans into submission. Add in the "American Individuality/Freedom" thinking and it's pretty toxic. People have a million excuses for why they just can't be bothered to care about anything. We reinforce this mentality with the whole "you're doing your best, it's okay" mentality that many people have nowadays. "You're getting by in a hard time" type mentality. People are "too tired" to give much of a crap about anything. Now, whether they're actually all that tired or it's just a very convenient excuse I dont know, but that's the gist that I get from a large number of people. They don't want to care, capitalism offers them easy excuses to not care, so they don't care. Until it directly affects people's livelihood they just won't give much of a crap. There are also many people who supply excuses too, such as "This is the way people are, don't try to change it" type stuff. We have a ton of excuses nowadays and it's really easy to take them. Finally, a lot of younger people are simply burnt out on this stuff. People under the age of 30 don't see much of a future. It's not that they don't care that Elon and Co are parroting nazis, it's that there doesn't seem to be a point in caring when the environment is fucked. Idk how much of this is true but I travel a lot and talk to a lot of people. This is the vibe I get when people finally open up and are honest with me about these things.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
I think everyone are very aware of far left media trying to paint musk as nazi. It seems it finally worked.
- otterley 2y ago
  It’s never really been about whether he is one or not. It’s about his behavior. If you don’t want people to think you’re a Nazi—whether you are one or not—don’t adopt their mannerisms.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    We are way past the mannerism part.
    - otterley 2y ago
      What does that mean?
- jackstraw14 2y ago
  oh stop it. quit trying to stir up this nonsense. who even cares if he IS a nazi? he's acting like one and encouraging them. i know you are trolling, so no need to ask if you are able to understand this or not.
- elktown 2y ago
  I will never understand how adults can feel fealty to powerful people like this. How does it even come about?
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    A guy who says empathy is our biggest flaw.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  That's like saying the "far left media" is trying to paint NBA players as tall. People have eyes and anyone watching someone give two perfect nazi salutes and at the biggest political rally of our time that still denies someone is telling the world they are a nazi is denying reality.
rayiner 2y ago
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- otterley 2y ago
  People troll on message boards because they are anonymous and there are no consequences. Trolling in real life, on the other hand, has consequences: try doing it at work, or with your partner (if you have one), and see how that works out for you. The long-term consequences of his behavior have yet to reveal themselves. We will see. The only reason Musk can troll and get away with it is because he is fabulously wealthy. (He didn’t do it when he was getting his career going.) If he were a 9-to-5 salary earner like the rest of us, he’d have faced a very different outcome. I believe that Musk’s defenders like him because he says things they wish they could say, but can’t, because of the consequences it would bring. Musk is largely insulated from those consequences today. It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    You're so close! But you've got the conclusion backwards. People enjoy Musk's trolling because the culture has become so sanitized. There is a reason corporate HR departments have rigid rules--legal liability, the need to keep a diverse workforce focused on the job at hand. But the whole world shouldn't be like that. > It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself. The point of trolling is to say what will provoke the target of the trolling to have a conniption.
    - gaganyaan 2y ago
      What a stupid take. Sorry to be blunt, but you need to be told that, because you should feel bad. There's a reason for the quote "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company". Replace "idiots" with "Nazis" for enlightenment.
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Believe it or not, tons of people don't care about that. It's something that I have to constantly remind myself of. They either agree with it, don't care, or it isn't important enough. It's good when people openly admit to it because then an actual conversation can take place. When people make up dumb reasons or just won't say the truth it leads to pointless discussion.

rbanffy 2y ago
I find it shocking people wouldn’t care about someone in power throwing around Nazi salutes and making very Nazi-like comments.
- chneu 2y ago
  One thing I've discovered is that capitalism has really beat many americans into submission. Add in the "American Individuality/Freedom" thinking and it's pretty toxic. People have a million excuses for why they just can't be bothered to care about anything. We reinforce this mentality with the whole "you're doing your best, it's okay" mentality that many people have nowadays. "You're getting by in a hard time" type mentality. People are "too tired" to give much of a crap about anything. Now, whether they're actually all that tired or it's just a very convenient excuse I dont know, but that's the gist that I get from a large number of people. They don't want to care, capitalism offers them easy excuses to not care, so they don't care. Until it directly affects people's livelihood they just won't give much of a crap. There are also many people who supply excuses too, such as "This is the way people are, don't try to change it" type stuff. We have a ton of excuses nowadays and it's really easy to take them. Finally, a lot of younger people are simply burnt out on this stuff. People under the age of 30 don't see much of a future. It's not that they don't care that Elon and Co are parroting nazis, it's that there doesn't seem to be a point in caring when the environment is fucked. Idk how much of this is true but I travel a lot and talk to a lot of people. This is the vibe I get when people finally open up and are honest with me about these things.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

I think everyone are very aware of far left media trying to paint musk as nazi. It seems it finally worked.

otterley 2y ago
It’s never really been about whether he is one or not. It’s about his behavior. If you don’t want people to think you’re a Nazi—whether you are one or not—don’t adopt their mannerisms.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  We are way past the mannerism part.
  - otterley 2y ago
    What does that mean?
jackstraw14 2y ago
oh stop it. quit trying to stir up this nonsense. who even cares if he IS a nazi? he's acting like one and encouraging them. i know you are trolling, so no need to ask if you are able to understand this or not.
elktown 2y ago
I will never understand how adults can feel fealty to powerful people like this. How does it even come about?
- rbanffy 2y ago
  A guy who says empathy is our biggest flaw.
CyberDildonics 2y ago
That's like saying the "far left media" is trying to paint NBA players as tall. People have eyes and anyone watching someone give two perfect nazi salutes and at the biggest political rally of our time that still denies someone is telling the world they are a nazi is denying reality.

rayiner 2y ago

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otterley 2y ago
People troll on message boards because they are anonymous and there are no consequences. Trolling in real life, on the other hand, has consequences: try doing it at work, or with your partner (if you have one), and see how that works out for you. The long-term consequences of his behavior have yet to reveal themselves. We will see. The only reason Musk can troll and get away with it is because he is fabulously wealthy. (He didn’t do it when he was getting his career going.) If he were a 9-to-5 salary earner like the rest of us, he’d have faced a very different outcome. I believe that Musk’s defenders like him because he says things they wish they could say, but can’t, because of the consequences it would bring. Musk is largely insulated from those consequences today. It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself.
- rayiner 2y ago
  You're so close! But you've got the conclusion backwards. People enjoy Musk's trolling because the culture has become so sanitized. There is a reason corporate HR departments have rigid rules--legal liability, the need to keep a diverse workforce focused on the job at hand. But the whole world shouldn't be like that. > It’s the “things they wish they could say” that’s concerning. The ideological alignment speaks for itself. The point of trolling is to say what will provoke the target of the trolling to have a conniption.
  - gaganyaan 2y ago
    What a stupid take. Sorry to be blunt, but you need to be told that, because you should feel bad. There's a reason for the quote "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company". Replace "idiots" with "Nazis" for enlightenment.
    - deleted 2y ago