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I don’t remember chrome being default anywhere. You always needed to open edge to download chrome and I have installed windows numerous times in past.

throwaway127482 2y ago
Chromebooks are a thing, and are extremely popular
- tgma 2y ago
  > extremely popular for really small amounts of "extremely" (outside US K-12 they are hardly a thing)
  - jay_kyburz 2y ago
    And Australian K-12 too :)
  - mentalgear 2y ago
    crucial though, that's were audiences get introduced with their software
  - lukeschlather 2y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if Chromebooks alone gave Chrome more market share than Firefox.
  - nmstoker 2y ago
    They don't do so badly in the UK with non-technical types (eg the elderly) especially where a full computer isn't safe or supportable.
  - vincent-manis 2y ago
    I have a very nice Chromebook tablet (a Lenovo Duet). I use it to run a Debian Linux VM; it has its quirks, but I use it to run Emacs, TeX, and various Scheme implementations. It is relatively cheap, and even though it's a relatively low-powered device, it has adequate performance for my needs. (And yes, it is not “really” Linux: you can't install your own window manager, for example. But it's usable.) I have lots of criticisms of Chrome OS, but the fact is that the year of Linux on the Desktop has arrived. You buy one of these machines, and out of the box you can have Linux apps (and a terminal) running within 15 minutes of switching the machine on.
    - tgma 2y ago
      Yea, I don't disagree it is a decent product. I was just refuting the "extremely popular" comment. Statistically their market share is minimal. People still by-and-large buy Microsoft Windows laptops.
- jhasse 2y ago
  German here. I know 0 people who own a Chromebook. In fact I think I have never seen one in my entire life (outside of a store). Schools I know are using Windows laptops or iPads.
soerxpso 2y ago
I believe the claim was that it's coming default on prebuilt PCs. If you're installing Windows, that's not the situation where Chrome would be the default.
- fastball 2y ago
  Right but what OS is installed on a pre-built PC if not Windows?
  - behindsight 2y ago
    not sure what exactly that has to do with prebuilt versions of Windows that come with bloatware/adware or other nonstandard customisations?
    - zinekeller 2y ago
      I think the GP has only encountered business laptops (which don't have as much bloatware). I can confirm that current "normie" laptops (from HP at least) do already have Chrome installed, although it is unclear if this is as part of paid marketing or just to reduce support headaches. Also, there was the time where Google pays antivirus companies like then-Avast to shove Chrome. Unsure if it is still happens, but this points out to how Chrome can pay through the marketshare.
- jpc0 2y ago
  I do a lot of IT support. Edge is the default on every single prebuilt / laptop I have setup for people. This is ancedotal sure but it's several hundred datapoints from the cheapest student focused budget laptops(running windows not chrome os) to business grade laptops from the big 3 (HP/Dell/Lenovo). Apple ships Safari by default and every linux distro I have used ships firefox or a spinoff of firefox by default. So in my experience Chrome is actively installed by the local it help (me, things are just plain broken for some use cases on non-chrome). I personally do not use Chrome, that doesn't mean I won't make it the default for every PC I touch for an enduser purely because I get less calls for support when users are using chrome. It's no secret that I feel like other search engines are worse that Google even though Google's results are nearly unusable. Google built a mote by having a better product, nobody else tried to compete and now it's become nearly impossible to compete. I actively avoid Chromium based browsers personally but even then I need to have one installed because even in Firefox and Safari derived browsers things are broken or website just plain don't work (https//f1.tv actively does not work on firefox as an example, unless they have since backtracked)

throwaway127482 2y ago

Chromebooks are a thing, and are extremely popular

tgma 2y ago
> extremely popular for really small amounts of "extremely" (outside US K-12 they are hardly a thing)
- jay_kyburz 2y ago
  And Australian K-12 too :)
- mentalgear 2y ago
  crucial though, that's were audiences get introduced with their software
- lukeschlather 2y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if Chromebooks alone gave Chrome more market share than Firefox.
- nmstoker 2y ago
  They don't do so badly in the UK with non-technical types (eg the elderly) especially where a full computer isn't safe or supportable.
- vincent-manis 2y ago
  I have a very nice Chromebook tablet (a Lenovo Duet). I use it to run a Debian Linux VM; it has its quirks, but I use it to run Emacs, TeX, and various Scheme implementations. It is relatively cheap, and even though it's a relatively low-powered device, it has adequate performance for my needs. (And yes, it is not “really” Linux: you can't install your own window manager, for example. But it's usable.) I have lots of criticisms of Chrome OS, but the fact is that the year of Linux on the Desktop has arrived. You buy one of these machines, and out of the box you can have Linux apps (and a terminal) running within 15 minutes of switching the machine on.
  - tgma 2y ago
    Yea, I don't disagree it is a decent product. I was just refuting the "extremely popular" comment. Statistically their market share is minimal. People still by-and-large buy Microsoft Windows laptops.
jhasse 2y ago
German here. I know 0 people who own a Chromebook. In fact I think I have never seen one in my entire life (outside of a store). Schools I know are using Windows laptops or iPads.

soerxpso 2y ago

I believe the claim was that it's coming default on prebuilt PCs. If you're installing Windows, that's not the situation where Chrome would be the default.

fastball 2y ago
Right but what OS is installed on a pre-built PC if not Windows?
- behindsight 2y ago
  not sure what exactly that has to do with prebuilt versions of Windows that come with bloatware/adware or other nonstandard customisations?
  - zinekeller 2y ago
    I think the GP has only encountered business laptops (which don't have as much bloatware). I can confirm that current "normie" laptops (from HP at least) do already have Chrome installed, although it is unclear if this is as part of paid marketing or just to reduce support headaches. Also, there was the time where Google pays antivirus companies like then-Avast to shove Chrome. Unsure if it is still happens, but this points out to how Chrome can pay through the marketshare.
jpc0 2y ago
I do a lot of IT support. Edge is the default on every single prebuilt / laptop I have setup for people. This is ancedotal sure but it's several hundred datapoints from the cheapest student focused budget laptops(running windows not chrome os) to business grade laptops from the big 3 (HP/Dell/Lenovo). Apple ships Safari by default and every linux distro I have used ships firefox or a spinoff of firefox by default. So in my experience Chrome is actively installed by the local it help (me, things are just plain broken for some use cases on non-chrome). I personally do not use Chrome, that doesn't mean I won't make it the default for every PC I touch for an enduser purely because I get less calls for support when users are using chrome. It's no secret that I feel like other search engines are worse that Google even though Google's results are nearly unusable. Google built a mote by having a better product, nobody else tried to compete and now it's become nearly impossible to compete. I actively avoid Chromium based browsers personally but even then I need to have one installed because even in Firefox and Safari derived browsers things are broken or website just plain don't work (https//f1.tv actively does not work on firefox as an example, unless they have since backtracked)