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i don't understand vegan meat. if you are vegan why would you want to eat stuff that resembles meat? there are plenty of amazing vegan dishes that look and ta

by papaver 14y ago

i don't understand vegan meat. if you are vegan why would you want to eat stuff that resembles meat? there are plenty of amazing vegan dishes that look and taste amazing. it feels like a cop out to be vegan yet eat stuff that looks like meat. if you want to eat meat, just eat meat! there are plenty of places to buy meat that are raised by farmers that take care of their animals. it just costs significantly more than cheap meat.

sp332 14y ago
it feels like a cop out to be vegan yet eat stuff that looks like meat. Vegan isn't just about meat, it also proscribes eggs and milk. There are a lot of foods that are better if you have some decent egg and milk analogs. But mainly, people eat vegan for ethical or health reasons. So maybe they still really like meat-like textures and flavors, but have strong reasons for not eating actual meat.
- zacharycohn 14y ago
  If you want to be vegan for ethical reasons, go for it. Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb. A cursory biological examination of the human body demonstrates that we are omnivores. That means the human body has adapted over tens of millions of years to eat both plants and animals. Additionally, many vegans will go heavy on soy and wheat based foods. There are many health issues surrounding soy (citations my other comment in this thread), and wheat products are not particularly healthy. The arguments for veganism for health reasons is largely unsupported by any sort of actual science.
  - mangodrunk 14y ago
    >Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb. A cursory biological examination of the human body demonstrates that we are omnivores. That means the human body has adapted over tens of millions of years to eat both plants and animals. I don't think humans have been around that long and that our ancestors were probably not meat eaters, since most other apes don't eat meat. The consensus is that red meat is unhealthy and there are healthier alternatives to get similar nutrients. Instead of eating other meat as well, soy provides a similar amount of protein without the saturated fat or cholesterol. There's also the impact the meat industry has on the environment and I think the reason for someone being vegan isn't just necessarily one thing but can be several reasons for their decision.
  - pbj 14y ago
    >Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb Actually if you have an even basic understanding of biology and how factory farming works in the United States you'd know that this isn't totally true. A large majority of meat sold in supermarkets, fast food and chain restaurants in the US use meat that is non organic and absolutely full of antibiotics. In addition, between bovine growth hormone, mad cow disease, pink slime, the link between cardiovascular health and red meat, etc, are you actually going to make the argument that eating a vegan diet has no health benefits? >Additionally, many vegans will go heavy on soy and wheat based foods. Funny, as a vegetarian I (and all others I know) eat a very balanced diet that doesn't include an excessive of anything. But since you're happy to throw around generalizations, many carnivores will go heavy on fried chicken and big macs. There are many health issues surrounding obesity, heart disease, and diabetes linked to these.
    - zacharycohn 14y ago
      I'm arguing that humans are designed to eat meat. You're arguing against factory farming. Different arguments.
    - sp332 14y ago
      Do you actually have something against pink slime (health-wise) or did you just let Jamie Oliver freak you out?
- smacktoward 14y ago
  So maybe they still really like meat-like textures and flavors Almost as if evolution had bred them into meat-eating animals! Nah, that's crazy talk.
  - spacemanaki 14y ago
    Humans are omnivores, not carnivores. We can sustain on a remarkable variety of diets. Evolution isn't really part of the picture, or even necessarily some ideal to follow without deviating. After all, the internet and factory farms aren't part of evolution either.
  - mhurron 14y ago
    One of the wonderful things about that big brain of yours, you know, the one evolution gave you, is no longer being constrained by natures 'whims.'
  - sp332 14y ago
    You may not agree with everyone but it is their decision to make, not yours.
nollidge 14y ago
> if you are vegan why would you want to eat stuff that resembles meat? Why wouldn't you?
unreal37 14y ago
My girlfriend is not a vegan (not even close) but detests meat. It's not just the way they are treated in industrial farming, its that these animals were once alive. She's anti-murder I guess. To each their own - I think meat is murder too but delicious delicious murder (stolen from a t-shirt slogan). She would love to eat fake meat if it tasted as good as the real thing. I would try it too - just to reduce my iron and acidic intake from all the meat I currently eat. There's a market for this. Not just about "vegans".
- mike-cardwell 14y ago
  I am a meat eater, but I don't think it's a good thing. I applaud vegetarians and vegans for making a stand, but ultimately I think the only realistic solution to getting people off "real" meat are technological, industrial and political advances. Assuming we keep advancing technologically, there will come a time when "fake" meat is indistinguishable from real meat, at least as healthy, cheaper and more environmentally friendly to produce. When this happens, that is when people will start eating it en masse. When enough people have started eating it and given enough time, politics will step in to ban farming animals for food. This will take quite a while because there will be a hard core of people who want to keep farming and eating animals. I imagine this part alone will take a couple of generations.
mike-cardwell 14y ago
Is it really that difficult to understand that some people are vegan for their own personal ethical reasons, but still like the taste of meat?
arn 14y ago
But some people don't eat meat for health considerations. Perhaps they like eating meat, but want to live longer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism#Health_considerations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism#Health_considera...
pdenya 14y ago
> it feels like a cop out to be vegan yet eat stuff that looks like meat I like the taste of meat but don't want to be a party to torturing animals. Not sure how eating whatever tastes good and fits with my morals is a cop out.

by papaver 14y ago

sp332 14y ago

it feels like a cop out to be vegan yet eat stuff that looks like meat. Vegan isn't just about meat, it also proscribes eggs and milk. There are a lot of foods that are better if you have some decent egg and milk analogs. But mainly, people eat vegan for ethical or health reasons. So maybe they still really like meat-like textures and flavors, but have strong reasons for not eating actual meat.

zacharycohn 14y ago
If you want to be vegan for ethical reasons, go for it. Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb. A cursory biological examination of the human body demonstrates that we are omnivores. That means the human body has adapted over tens of millions of years to eat both plants and animals. Additionally, many vegans will go heavy on soy and wheat based foods. There are many health issues surrounding soy (citations my other comment in this thread), and wheat products are not particularly healthy. The arguments for veganism for health reasons is largely unsupported by any sort of actual science.
- mangodrunk 14y ago
  >Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb. A cursory biological examination of the human body demonstrates that we are omnivores. That means the human body has adapted over tens of millions of years to eat both plants and animals. I don't think humans have been around that long and that our ancestors were probably not meat eaters, since most other apes don't eat meat. The consensus is that red meat is unhealthy and there are healthier alternatives to get similar nutrients. Instead of eating other meat as well, soy provides a similar amount of protein without the saturated fat or cholesterol. There's also the impact the meat industry has on the environment and I think the reason for someone being vegan isn't just necessarily one thing but can be several reasons for their decision.
- pbj 14y ago
  >Vegans who are vegans for health reasons - dumb dumb dumb Actually if you have an even basic understanding of biology and how factory farming works in the United States you'd know that this isn't totally true. A large majority of meat sold in supermarkets, fast food and chain restaurants in the US use meat that is non organic and absolutely full of antibiotics. In addition, between bovine growth hormone, mad cow disease, pink slime, the link between cardiovascular health and red meat, etc, are you actually going to make the argument that eating a vegan diet has no health benefits? >Additionally, many vegans will go heavy on soy and wheat based foods. Funny, as a vegetarian I (and all others I know) eat a very balanced diet that doesn't include an excessive of anything. But since you're happy to throw around generalizations, many carnivores will go heavy on fried chicken and big macs. There are many health issues surrounding obesity, heart disease, and diabetes linked to these.
  - zacharycohn 14y ago
    I'm arguing that humans are designed to eat meat. You're arguing against factory farming. Different arguments.
  - sp332 14y ago
    Do you actually have something against pink slime (health-wise) or did you just let Jamie Oliver freak you out?
smacktoward 14y ago
So maybe they still really like meat-like textures and flavors Almost as if evolution had bred them into meat-eating animals! Nah, that's crazy talk.
- spacemanaki 14y ago
  Humans are omnivores, not carnivores. We can sustain on a remarkable variety of diets. Evolution isn't really part of the picture, or even necessarily some ideal to follow without deviating. After all, the internet and factory farms aren't part of evolution either.
- mhurron 14y ago
  One of the wonderful things about that big brain of yours, you know, the one evolution gave you, is no longer being constrained by natures 'whims.'
- sp332 14y ago
  You may not agree with everyone but it is their decision to make, not yours.

nollidge 14y ago

> if you are vegan why would you want to eat stuff that resembles meat? Why wouldn't you?

unreal37 14y ago

My girlfriend is not a vegan (not even close) but detests meat. It's not just the way they are treated in industrial farming, its that these animals were once alive. She's anti-murder I guess. To each their own - I think meat is murder too but delicious delicious murder (stolen from a t-shirt slogan). She would love to eat fake meat if it tasted as good as the real thing. I would try it too - just to reduce my iron and acidic intake from all the meat I currently eat. There's a market for this. Not just about "vegans".

mike-cardwell 14y ago
I am a meat eater, but I don't think it's a good thing. I applaud vegetarians and vegans for making a stand, but ultimately I think the only realistic solution to getting people off "real" meat are technological, industrial and political advances. Assuming we keep advancing technologically, there will come a time when "fake" meat is indistinguishable from real meat, at least as healthy, cheaper and more environmentally friendly to produce. When this happens, that is when people will start eating it en masse. When enough people have started eating it and given enough time, politics will step in to ban farming animals for food. This will take quite a while because there will be a hard core of people who want to keep farming and eating animals. I imagine this part alone will take a couple of generations.

mike-cardwell 14y ago

Is it really that difficult to understand that some people are vegan for their own personal ethical reasons, but still like the taste of meat?

arn 14y ago

But some people don't eat meat for health considerations. Perhaps they like eating meat, but want to live longer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism#Health_considerations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism#Health_considera...

pdenya 14y ago

> it feels like a cop out to be vegan yet eat stuff that looks like meat I like the taste of meat but don't want to be a party to torturing animals. Not sure how eating whatever tastes good and fits with my morals is a cop out.