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I was impressed with the El Salvador prisons. All of the prisoners are given incentive to shorten their sentences by working in various production operations,

by xedrac 2y ago

I was impressed with the El Salvador prisons. All of the prisoners are given incentive to shorten their sentences by working in various production operations, like sewing clothing, farming food, etc... they have classes to teach them various skills, but they also work a lot of hours to contribute back to society. For those who believe prison should be unattractive, it definitely still is. For those who believe inmates should be rehabilitated, they are learning to contribute to society while gaining valuable skills. Seems like a win win to me.

croes 2y ago
US prisons have two tasks: Slave workers Punishment That’s implicitly authoritarian. Many other countries try reparation and resocialization
lo_zamoyski 2y ago
Generally speaking, punishment has three purposes, namely, retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. Not all three must be realized in each case for a punishment to be valid, but all three are nonetheless in play. We do a poor job in this respect. We seem incapable of integrating all three. So you have people who get irrationally squeamish about retribution, demonstrating a total lack of understanding and appreciation of the severity of crimes and of the nature and demands of justice. False compassion abounds. Some people cannot distinguish between chattel slavery and debt slavery (where in the latter case, this would mean penal labor, something that can have the benefit of both providing value to the society wronged to whom the perp is indebted and in punishing the perp). You have people who express hatred for the guilty under the pretense of justice, caring nothing for their rehabilitation. You have those who claim that the prospect of punishment doesn't deter crime, which is patently absurd. The justice system should most definitely punish criminals prudently in proportion with the crime, but it should also provide means of correcting the person and leading them away from a criminal life. Learning skills could be a part, even if not exhaustive, of such a rehabilitation, whether they ever leave prison or not.

by xedrac 2y ago

croes 2y ago

US prisons have two tasks: Slave workers Punishment That’s implicitly authoritarian. Many other countries try reparation and resocialization

lo_zamoyski 2y ago

Generally speaking, punishment has three purposes, namely, retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. Not all three must be realized in each case for a punishment to be valid, but all three are nonetheless in play. We do a poor job in this respect. We seem incapable of integrating all three. So you have people who get irrationally squeamish about retribution, demonstrating a total lack of understanding and appreciation of the severity of crimes and of the nature and demands of justice. False compassion abounds. Some people cannot distinguish between chattel slavery and debt slavery (where in the latter case, this would mean penal labor, something that can have the benefit of both providing value to the society wronged to whom the perp is indebted and in punishing the perp). You have people who express hatred for the guilty under the pretense of justice, caring nothing for their rehabilitation. You have those who claim that the prospect of punishment doesn't deter crime, which is patently absurd. The justice system should most definitely punish criminals prudently in proportion with the crime, but it should also provide means of correcting the person and leading them away from a criminal life. Learning skills could be a part, even if not exhaustive, of such a rehabilitation, whether they ever leave prison or not.