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The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the

The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. So yes it is suspicious. Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. The only main advantage Tesla has is the Supercharger network and better software experience. Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law.

anonfordays 2y ago
>The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. >So yes it is suspicious. So it is not suspicious. >Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. >Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law. Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.
- somerandomqaguy 2y ago
  >No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-resources-dealerships https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn... ========================================= To get reimbursed: Log into the ZEV application, select the selling dealership, and go to the “I want to view all iZEV requests submitted for this dealership/authorized seller.” Then search the Service Request ID # of the Eligibility Assessed request and upload the sales/lease agreement and the Incentive Received Form. Make sure that all documents are complete and include all signatures and information required. [...] iZEV Online Application: request status [...] Rebate Sent The dealership has been sent a payment, and you'll be notified by email. This email will include the payment amount, the service request ID and the Vehicle Identification Number. Some banks may take up to 5 business days to deposit the funds into your account. ======================================== Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. The buyer pays a lower out of pocket price. It makes no sense to have the reimbursement go to the owners directly as part of the point of sale. Transport Canada would need have to have electronic payment systems setup for every EV buyer along with all the privacy and financial handling headaches that such a government system entails. >It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. The Mach E starts at $58,000. The Ioniq 5 at $55,000. The EV6 at $56,000, the Aryia at $52,000, and the ID4 at $44,000. The Model Y start at $65,000. It's a significant chunk of change even for middle class Canadians. >Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close. Maybe, maybe not. There's also ways that I could see this legitimately happening. But at the end of the day it's still highly unusual behaviour that bears further scrutiny. Also known as the being suspicious.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. It is paid to the buyer, but collected by the dealership. Buyers are those who qualify to receive it. Straight from the horse's mouth: "There is a limit to how many incentives Canadians and Canadian organizations can receive for the purchase or lease of eligible vehicles under the iZEV Program, in a calendar year: Individuals are eligible for one incentive" "Individuals are eligible", not dealerships. Dealerships collect the reimbursement, but the individuals must qualify. If you qualify and he dealer didn't discount the car, they owe you the rebate: "If you didn't receive the incentive on an eligible ZEV purchased or leased on or after the date listed on the eligibility vehicle list, please contact the dealership to verify if they are enrolled in the Program. If they are enrolled, they may reimburse you the maximum eligible incentive amount (this is usually reimbursed by cheque)." https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/questions-answers#wb-auto-5 https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...
    - warningforever 2y ago
      I'm impressed you came back to this old thread! No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious. Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says, that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car", and whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage.
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        >I'm impressed you came back to this old thread! Had to stamp out the fake news with reality. >No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious. Facts and reality don't require rationalization. It's only suspicious if you get your news from reddit. Dealers don't qualify for the rebate, buyers do. The Canadian government announced to everyone the program was ending. It hit the news. >Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says Did you get this fake news from reddit perhaps? >that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car Customers can get they deposits back at any time they please. >whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage. LLM hallucination?

anonfordays 2y ago

>The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. >So yes it is suspicious. So it is not suspicious. >Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. >Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law. Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.

somerandomqaguy 2y ago
>No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-resources-dealerships https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn... ========================================= To get reimbursed: Log into the ZEV application, select the selling dealership, and go to the “I want to view all iZEV requests submitted for this dealership/authorized seller.” Then search the Service Request ID # of the Eligibility Assessed request and upload the sales/lease agreement and the Incentive Received Form. Make sure that all documents are complete and include all signatures and information required. [...] iZEV Online Application: request status [...] Rebate Sent The dealership has been sent a payment, and you'll be notified by email. This email will include the payment amount, the service request ID and the Vehicle Identification Number. Some banks may take up to 5 business days to deposit the funds into your account. ======================================== Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. The buyer pays a lower out of pocket price. It makes no sense to have the reimbursement go to the owners directly as part of the point of sale. Transport Canada would need have to have electronic payment systems setup for every EV buyer along with all the privacy and financial handling headaches that such a government system entails. >It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. The Mach E starts at $58,000. The Ioniq 5 at $55,000. The EV6 at $56,000, the Aryia at $52,000, and the ID4 at $44,000. The Model Y start at $65,000. It's a significant chunk of change even for middle class Canadians. >Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close. Maybe, maybe not. There's also ways that I could see this legitimately happening. But at the end of the day it's still highly unusual behaviour that bears further scrutiny. Also known as the being suspicious.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. It is paid to the buyer, but collected by the dealership. Buyers are those who qualify to receive it. Straight from the horse's mouth: "There is a limit to how many incentives Canadians and Canadian organizations can receive for the purchase or lease of eligible vehicles under the iZEV Program, in a calendar year: Individuals are eligible for one incentive" "Individuals are eligible", not dealerships. Dealerships collect the reimbursement, but the individuals must qualify. If you qualify and he dealer didn't discount the car, they owe you the rebate: "If you didn't receive the incentive on an eligible ZEV purchased or leased on or after the date listed on the eligibility vehicle list, please contact the dealership to verify if they are enrolled in the Program. If they are enrolled, they may reimburse you the maximum eligible incentive amount (this is usually reimbursed by cheque)." https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/questions-answers#wb-auto-5 https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...
  - warningforever 2y ago
    I'm impressed you came back to this old thread! No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious. Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says, that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car", and whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      >I'm impressed you came back to this old thread! Had to stamp out the fake news with reality. >No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious. Facts and reality don't require rationalization. It's only suspicious if you get your news from reddit. Dealers don't qualify for the rebate, buyers do. The Canadian government announced to everyone the program was ending. It hit the news. >Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says Did you get this fake news from reddit perhaps? >that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car Customers can get they deposits back at any time they please. >whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage. LLM hallucination?