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Using state violence to enforce intellectual property is morally bankrupt. Reserve that hammer for pastors who prey on kids.
by kelseyfrog 2y ago
Using state violence to enforce intellectual property is morally bankrupt. Reserve that hammer for pastors who prey on kids.
- kyrra 2y agoAll adults in a position of power over kids can do this. Many children are abused by teachers as well. https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/child_sex_crimes_catholic_prie.html https://www.pennlive.com/news/erry-2018/05/5e56fa19a94444/ch...
- EA-3167 2y agoWhile true, most groups of adults with power over children don't have a wealthy, trans-national organization that spent decades shuffling them around, hiding their crimes, and silencing victims.
- sdsd 2y agoIf you read the article in the comment you're replying to, the whole point is that despite having a wealthy, transnational organization, the Catholic church is not an outlier, and in fact, abuse is higher in many orgs that don't do the things you describe (eg, evangelical churches, sports, and school).
- EA-3167 2y agoI did read the article, but the obvious rebuttal is that "abuse is higher" really translates as "abuse is more frequently reported, confirmed and punished." It's not shocking that an organization which has dedicated a vast amount of time, effort and money to hiding its misdeeds has... hidden some of its misdeeds.
- sdsd 2y ago>It's not shocking that an organization which has dedicated a vast amount of time, effort and money to hiding its misdeeds has... hidden some of its misdeeds. If you go this way of thinking, you can just as easily come out on the opposite end. Maybe the Catholic Church is in fact hiding less than these other orgs, and that's why we associate them with abuse. If the known rate of abuse is mostly correlated to an org's skill at hiding, then who knows how much abuse happens anywhere.
- ranger_danger 2y agoYou're not wrong, but I would say this is a little bit more than just IP theft, as these charges are technically criminal in nature. Physical theft and fraud, bypassing encryption explicitly for unauthorized copying (regardless of what it was), etc.
- fibers 2y agothat logic can be applied broadly to the unbelievable amount of ip theft that LLMs train on
- ranger_danger 2y agoI'm pretty sure courts have already ruled that to be fair use, and either way I don't think it's appropriate to compare the two like that, I consider it a false equivalency.
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- pipes 2y agoDo you see any potential down sides f the state decided not to protect intellectual property?
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- ForTheKidz 2y agoLarge swathes of the US economy are based on holding and licensing IP. Why would anyone subscribe to Disney+ if they could get the same service for $1 a month from anyone?
- like_any_other 2y agoThe poster asked for down sides.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoWe would return to normalcy. That makes some people angry.
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- tiahura 2y agodon't do the crime if you can't do the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHA7Uuz4oY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHA7Uuz4oY
- ameister14 2y agoUsing state violence to protect property is literally one of the main reasons for having a state at all.
- timewizard 2y agoTo protect real property. Violations of copyright should be strictly civil issues. Why are the people who arrest murderers and vandals involved in this?
- floydnoel 2y agothey don’t really worry about murderers nor vandals
- jebarker 2y agoI honestly don't see why the cops should arrest someone that burgles an office building (say of a film producer) and not someone that gives away the content they paid to make for free. In what way is it different?
- timewizard 2y agoIf I take your property you cannot have it or use it. If I copy your content you still have it. It's not an exigent issue that requires officers with guns to solve.
- jebarker 2y agoAh, yes, that's a good argument for property definition. I agree that it seems excessive to use armed force to enforce this, I was more questioning how to differentiate the two situations in law so cops don't have to exercise that judgement.
- aydyn 2y agoIntellectual property is not property, its a misnomer. A bluray disk is property. Do you own it or no?