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I feel so trapped in this current computing paradigm where we're all running Chromium and Firefox is bad. I don't think it's substantially better than the days

by sdsd 2y ago

I feel so trapped in this current computing paradigm where we're all running Chromium and Firefox is bad. I don't think it's substantially better than the days when sites were built to run in IE, since the solution to incompatibility has apparently involved moving the "browser" is really just a VM now. On mobile it's even worse, with computing largely being removed entirely, replaced by "apps" that just deliver "content" and monetize their control over the algorithm. Or even worse, don't monetize it, but leverage it as a source of power. Zuck and Elon openly say govs were doing that with their platforms, but they hardly seem reliable. Maybe it's much much worse, maybe they exaggerated. Urbit is more fun in theory but the community is just a bunch of rw chuds trying to get thiel bucks. Maybe computers just aren't that interesting now. At least, you have to be more creative than before. I've been doing some fun stuff. Anyway, /rant

lolinder 2y ago
> we're all running Chromium and Firefox is bad. FWIW, I'm genuinely unsure where the "Firefox is bad" narrative comes from. I use Firefox as my primary browser across Android, MacOS, Windows, and Linux (KDE) and have not had any significant trouble with that setup in years outside of an occasional hiccup with a Google property. Mozilla acts like an ADHD squirrel and can't seem to help but burn through their market share, but for all the terrible management and business execution the engineers at Firefox have been consistently improving the product.
- cozzyd 2y ago
  It's strange, Firefox gets so much criticism because they don't pass various purity tests while Chrome is completely exempt because nobody expects it to not be evil.
  - redmajor12 2y ago
    It's not strange. Mozilla Foundation is a non profit and Google is not.
    - cozzyd 2y ago
      Sure but people decide Mozilla is not meeting their standards and then switch to.... Chrome. (Or a browser based on chromium which is just a filtered version of Chrome).
      - 1oooqooq 2y ago
        the people complaining about firefox are not switching to chrome! they just keep complaining. don't know where you took that wildly inaccurate idea from. people who don't complain about mozilla sorry state do move to chrome tho.
        cozzyd 2y ago
        There is a certain type of poster that says they use Chrome because of X Mozilla thing, almost like it's a rationalization. Certainly not everyone complaining about Firefox of course! My least favorite thing about Firefox is the "you must restart Firefox to keep browsing" message when my package manager updates it.
        1oooqooq 2y ago
        yikes. you run updates while working? that's not recommended at all.
  - DANmode 2y ago
    More like sanity tests. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
- gr_norm 2y ago
  Yeah, Firefox is quite good. It's fast and gets good battery life. It has the occasional bug, but so does Chromium, with any nontrivial usage. I wish Mozilla would focus on Firefox and on their messaging/what their users want (I don't want another chatbot, personally...). The Mozilla management is the only really bad thing about Firefox, but I'd take them over Google's any day. Even the privacy preserving ads stuff is like... fine to me. I wish they would do other things, but I'm glad they're trying to make an internet monetization framework that's less awful for privacy. I don't have any inherent beef with ads, besides the surveillance apparatus around them. Whether they'll be able to stick to their core mission with the financial allure of ads lurking around the corner, though, I'm not sure.
- sdsd 2y ago
  >I'm genuinely unsure where the "Firefox is bad" narrative comes from It comes from me, I hate it. The constant begging to use pocket or whatever the frugg its called is a perfect metaphor for the browser as a whole.
  - gr_norm 2y ago
    I removed the Pocket button from the toolbar with 2 clicks when I setup Firefox a couple months ago and haven't thought about it since. It takes me about 5 minutes to change the Firefox settings to my liking from a fresh install. Firefox sure isn't perfect by a long shot, but the constant haranguing makes me a bit sad
- rmwaite 2y ago
  To be fair, I think this is a misinterpretation of what the parent was saying. I read it as: “we’re all running (Chromium + Firefox) is bad”.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    That doesn't actually work as a parsing of the sentence in English, and besides, they responded to be with a confirmation that they think Firefox is bad: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43302877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43302877

by sdsd 2y ago

lolinder 2y ago

> we're all running Chromium and Firefox is bad. FWIW, I'm genuinely unsure where the "Firefox is bad" narrative comes from. I use Firefox as my primary browser across Android, MacOS, Windows, and Linux (KDE) and have not had any significant trouble with that setup in years outside of an occasional hiccup with a Google property. Mozilla acts like an ADHD squirrel and can't seem to help but burn through their market share, but for all the terrible management and business execution the engineers at Firefox have been consistently improving the product.

cozzyd 2y ago
It's strange, Firefox gets so much criticism because they don't pass various purity tests while Chrome is completely exempt because nobody expects it to not be evil.
- redmajor12 2y ago
  It's not strange. Mozilla Foundation is a non profit and Google is not.
  - cozzyd 2y ago
    Sure but people decide Mozilla is not meeting their standards and then switch to.... Chrome. (Or a browser based on chromium which is just a filtered version of Chrome).
    - 1oooqooq 2y ago
      the people complaining about firefox are not switching to chrome! they just keep complaining. don't know where you took that wildly inaccurate idea from. people who don't complain about mozilla sorry state do move to chrome tho.
      - cozzyd 2y ago
        There is a certain type of poster that says they use Chrome because of X Mozilla thing, almost like it's a rationalization. Certainly not everyone complaining about Firefox of course! My least favorite thing about Firefox is the "you must restart Firefox to keep browsing" message when my package manager updates it.
        1oooqooq 2y ago
        yikes. you run updates while working? that's not recommended at all.
- DANmode 2y ago
  More like sanity tests. https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
gr_norm 2y ago
Yeah, Firefox is quite good. It's fast and gets good battery life. It has the occasional bug, but so does Chromium, with any nontrivial usage. I wish Mozilla would focus on Firefox and on their messaging/what their users want (I don't want another chatbot, personally...). The Mozilla management is the only really bad thing about Firefox, but I'd take them over Google's any day. Even the privacy preserving ads stuff is like... fine to me. I wish they would do other things, but I'm glad they're trying to make an internet monetization framework that's less awful for privacy. I don't have any inherent beef with ads, besides the surveillance apparatus around them. Whether they'll be able to stick to their core mission with the financial allure of ads lurking around the corner, though, I'm not sure.
sdsd 2y ago
>I'm genuinely unsure where the "Firefox is bad" narrative comes from It comes from me, I hate it. The constant begging to use pocket or whatever the frugg its called is a perfect metaphor for the browser as a whole.
- gr_norm 2y ago
  I removed the Pocket button from the toolbar with 2 clicks when I setup Firefox a couple months ago and haven't thought about it since. It takes me about 5 minutes to change the Firefox settings to my liking from a fresh install. Firefox sure isn't perfect by a long shot, but the constant haranguing makes me a bit sad
rmwaite 2y ago
To be fair, I think this is a misinterpretation of what the parent was saying. I read it as: “we’re all running (Chromium + Firefox) is bad”.
- lolinder 2y ago
  That doesn't actually work as a parsing of the sentence in English, and besides, they responded to be with a confirmation that they think Firefox is bad: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43302877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43302877