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Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The show

Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not impossible. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do. This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.

Terr_ 2y ago
Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is absolutely the slam-dunk I think it is here. >First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Yes, happens when the government announces they're going to take $5,000 away in a few days. >Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Wrong: Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas-izev-rebate-claims-in-2024-chevy-equinox-ev-outpaces-model-3/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas... Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate-program-doubling-nearest-competitor/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate... The frenzy was due to the government ending the rebate program. >Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. You missed it, they made another announcement that it was ending within days. That caused a frenzy. >This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys. Once the end of the program was announced, the buying commenced.
somerandomqaguy 2y ago
The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. So yes it is suspicious. Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. The only main advantage Tesla has is the Supercharger network and better software experience. Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. >So yes it is suspicious. So it is not suspicious. >Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. >Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law. Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.
  - somerandomqaguy 2y ago
    >No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-resources-dealerships https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn... ========================================= To get reimbursed: Log into the ZEV application, select the selling dealership, and go to the “I want to view all iZEV requests submitted for this dealership/authorized seller.” Then search the Service Request ID # of the Eligibility Assessed request and upload the sales/lease agreement and the Incentive Received Form. Make sure that all documents are complete and include all signatures and information required. [...] iZEV Online Application: request status [...] Rebate Sent The dealership has been sent a payment, and you'll be notified by email. This email will include the payment amount, the service request ID and the Vehicle Identification Number. Some banks may take up to 5 business days to deposit the funds into your account. ======================================== Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. The buyer pays a lower out of pocket price. It makes no sense to have the reimbursement go to the owners directly as part of the point of sale. Transport Canada would need have to have electronic payment systems setup for every EV buyer along with all the privacy and financial handling headaches that such a government system entails. >It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. The Mach E starts at $58,000. The Ioniq 5 at $55,000. The EV6 at $56,000, the Aryia at $52,000, and the ID4 at $44,000. The Model Y start at $65,000. It's a significant chunk of change even for middle class Canadians. >Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close. Maybe, maybe not. There's also ways that I could see this legitimately happening. But at the end of the day it's still highly unusual behaviour that bears further scrutiny. Also known as the being suspicious.

Terr_ 2y ago

Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.

anonfordays 2y ago
>Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is absolutely the slam-dunk I think it is here. >First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Yes, happens when the government announces they're going to take $5,000 away in a few days. >Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Wrong: Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas-izev-rebate-claims-in-2024-chevy-equinox-ev-outpaces-model-3/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas... Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate-program-doubling-nearest-competitor/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate... The frenzy was due to the government ending the rebate program. >Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. You missed it, they made another announcement that it was ending within days. That caused a frenzy. >This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys. Once the end of the program was announced, the buying commenced.

somerandomqaguy 2y ago

The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. So yes it is suspicious. Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. The only main advantage Tesla has is the Supercharger network and better software experience. Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law.

anonfordays 2y ago
>The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership. No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. >So yes it is suspicious. So it is not suspicious. >Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. >Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law. Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.
- somerandomqaguy 2y ago
  >No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-resources-dealerships https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn... ========================================= To get reimbursed: Log into the ZEV application, select the selling dealership, and go to the “I want to view all iZEV requests submitted for this dealership/authorized seller.” Then search the Service Request ID # of the Eligibility Assessed request and upload the sales/lease agreement and the Incentive Received Form. Make sure that all documents are complete and include all signatures and information required. [...] iZEV Online Application: request status [...] Rebate Sent The dealership has been sent a payment, and you'll be notified by email. This email will include the payment amount, the service request ID and the Vehicle Identification Number. Some banks may take up to 5 business days to deposit the funds into your account. ======================================== Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. The buyer pays a lower out of pocket price. It makes no sense to have the reimbursement go to the owners directly as part of the point of sale. Transport Canada would need have to have electronic payment systems setup for every EV buyer along with all the privacy and financial handling headaches that such a government system entails. >It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes. The Mach E starts at $58,000. The Ioniq 5 at $55,000. The EV6 at $56,000, the Aryia at $52,000, and the ID4 at $44,000. The Model Y start at $65,000. It's a significant chunk of change even for middle class Canadians. >Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close. Maybe, maybe not. There's also ways that I could see this legitimately happening. But at the end of the day it's still highly unusual behaviour that bears further scrutiny. Also known as the being suspicious.