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> He has given Russia everything they could ever want in return for nothing Says someone who doesn't understand anything about Russia. If you actually watched

by _1tem 2y ago

> He has given Russia everything they could ever want in return for nothing Says someone who doesn't understand anything about Russia. If you actually watched Russian mainstream media you would understand how much they dislike Trump and disagree with him. This sudden overture over Ukraine has even caught them by surprise and they are suspicious, though welcome, of this new development. To suggest that Trump is Russia-controlled is to expose your complete ignorance of how Russians think. The Russians hated Trump's first term and consider it to be a disaster.

NicuCalcea 2y ago
I do watch Russian mainstream media, and they're all gushing over Trump. They are explicitly saying Russia and the US share a common enemy, Europe. Proof: https://youtu.be/54rl-Z8F62U https://youtu.be/54rl-Z8F62U
- wtearav 2y ago
  This lie started with Lavrov on Tucker Carlson, where he said the the US is important but Europe cannot be forgiven. Since the Trump win this talking point is mainstream on all Russian aligned outlets, who previously blamed the US (Nuland, Biden, Obama) for the war. It is hard to tell what the game is: 1) (Most cynical) Trump and Russia want to divide up the world. Russia gets Ukraine and will not object to the US getting Greenland. 2) (Pragmatic) Both Russia and the US are low on weapons and would actually like a ceasefire. They blame Europe for preventing the deal. 3) (Neocon, continuity of agenda) Trump insults the EU in order to make them increase their military budget, so they can take over the Ukraine war by themselves and never talk to Russia again. The Russian media still hasn't caught on (or just uses the EU as the current convenient enemy for domestic consumption). Some game is being played here, perhaps it's "the great game".
  - the_duke 2y ago
    The US doesn't like the EU as a strong entity on equal footing or the Euro as a strong global currency, but wants weaker and more divided countries that can be controlled. This isn't a Trump-exclusive thing, the relationship has gradually soured ever since Obama and when TTIP fell through, it just wasn't as public.
TinkersW 2y ago
Well now you are just spewing obviously false nonsense, so you are either a russian troll or a lost cause.
highwaylights 2y ago
This is just false. It’s a bit like that time Putin said he’d prefer Kamala with a wink and all the MAGAs started yelling “SEE!?!?”. It’s obvious enough reverse psychology that even a five-year-old would roll their eyes at it. Russian state media adores Trump, and I suspect the parent is fully aware of this.

by _1tem 2y ago

NicuCalcea 2y ago

I do watch Russian mainstream media, and they're all gushing over Trump. They are explicitly saying Russia and the US share a common enemy, Europe. Proof: https://youtu.be/54rl-Z8F62U https://youtu.be/54rl-Z8F62U

wtearav 2y ago
This lie started with Lavrov on Tucker Carlson, where he said the the US is important but Europe cannot be forgiven. Since the Trump win this talking point is mainstream on all Russian aligned outlets, who previously blamed the US (Nuland, Biden, Obama) for the war. It is hard to tell what the game is: 1) (Most cynical) Trump and Russia want to divide up the world. Russia gets Ukraine and will not object to the US getting Greenland. 2) (Pragmatic) Both Russia and the US are low on weapons and would actually like a ceasefire. They blame Europe for preventing the deal. 3) (Neocon, continuity of agenda) Trump insults the EU in order to make them increase their military budget, so they can take over the Ukraine war by themselves and never talk to Russia again. The Russian media still hasn't caught on (or just uses the EU as the current convenient enemy for domestic consumption). Some game is being played here, perhaps it's "the great game".
- the_duke 2y ago
  The US doesn't like the EU as a strong entity on equal footing or the Euro as a strong global currency, but wants weaker and more divided countries that can be controlled. This isn't a Trump-exclusive thing, the relationship has gradually soured ever since Obama and when TTIP fell through, it just wasn't as public.

TinkersW 2y ago

Well now you are just spewing obviously false nonsense, so you are either a russian troll or a lost cause.

highwaylights 2y ago

This is just false. It’s a bit like that time Putin said he’d prefer Kamala with a wink and all the MAGAs started yelling “SEE!?!?”. It’s obvious enough reverse psychology that even a five-year-old would roll their eyes at it. Russian state media adores Trump, and I suspect the parent is fully aware of this.