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Don't you find it a bit strange that absolutely everything the new US government does and says is good for Russia and disastrous for the traditional allies?

roenxi 2y ago
In the sense that the US suddenly came to its senses, yes it is strange. Breath of fresh air. This war was provoked and escalated by the US State Department. Pulling back and giving the Russians some space is the only way that doesn't look like it'll escalate further into the disaster. Thank goodness the US voting public is a bit better at sniffing out reasonable men than whoever handles hiring for the US government. If the Europeans could shake the same mad instinct to mass up and charge Russia that worked so badly every other time there was a big war that'd also be helpful. 3rd time is not a charm.
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  Rubbish, so far it was Russia and Russia alone escalating, everybody else merely reacted.
- mopsi 2y ago
  > This war was provoked and escalated by the US State Department. The State Department provoked the war by: * Stating that the US would not put boots on the ground if Russia invaded Ukraine. * Opposing troop deployments from other NATO countries to Ukraine. * Withdrawing US soldiers from joint exercises in Ukraine. * Reducing embassy staffing to a minimum. * Refusing to provide heavy weapons like artillery, tanks, and fighter jets to Ukraine. * Offering to evacuate Ukraine's leaders. > Pulling back and giving the Russians some space is the only way that doesn't look like it'll escalate further into the disaster. This is a superb idea, because it has worked so well so far. Russia has matched every Western retreat by pulling back on its side as well. That's why the war ended three years ago.
kergonath 2y ago
Or for the US… There are two main winners: Russia and the American oligarchs. And China to a lesser extent.
_1tem 2y ago
"good for Russia and disastrous for traditional allies" in your interpretation. In the interpretation of others, it is "good for America and better to be anti-globalist".
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  "good for America"... I don't think Canada or Mexico are thrilled by Trumps actions so far. It's at best good for a handful oligarchs in the USA. For everybody else it will be a rough awakening. I would be very surprised if isolationism will work, it would be a first.

roenxi 2y ago

In the sense that the US suddenly came to its senses, yes it is strange. Breath of fresh air. This war was provoked and escalated by the US State Department. Pulling back and giving the Russians some space is the only way that doesn't look like it'll escalate further into the disaster. Thank goodness the US voting public is a bit better at sniffing out reasonable men than whoever handles hiring for the US government. If the Europeans could shake the same mad instinct to mass up and charge Russia that worked so badly every other time there was a big war that'd also be helpful. 3rd time is not a charm.

flohofwoe 2y ago
Rubbish, so far it was Russia and Russia alone escalating, everybody else merely reacted.
mopsi 2y ago
> This war was provoked and escalated by the US State Department. The State Department provoked the war by: * Stating that the US would not put boots on the ground if Russia invaded Ukraine. * Opposing troop deployments from other NATO countries to Ukraine. * Withdrawing US soldiers from joint exercises in Ukraine. * Reducing embassy staffing to a minimum. * Refusing to provide heavy weapons like artillery, tanks, and fighter jets to Ukraine. * Offering to evacuate Ukraine's leaders. > Pulling back and giving the Russians some space is the only way that doesn't look like it'll escalate further into the disaster. This is a superb idea, because it has worked so well so far. Russia has matched every Western retreat by pulling back on its side as well. That's why the war ended three years ago.

kergonath 2y ago

Or for the US… There are two main winners: Russia and the American oligarchs. And China to a lesser extent.

_1tem 2y ago

"good for Russia and disastrous for traditional allies" in your interpretation. In the interpretation of others, it is "good for America and better to be anti-globalist".

flohofwoe 2y ago
"good for America"... I don't think Canada or Mexico are thrilled by Trumps actions so far. It's at best good for a handful oligarchs in the USA. For everybody else it will be a rough awakening. I would be very surprised if isolationism will work, it would be a first.