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> there's no real possibility of the transatlantic defence alliance suddenly completely failing The USA is now threatening to wage war to annex both Canada and

> there's no real possibility of the transatlantic defence alliance suddenly completely failing The USA is now threatening to wage war to annex both Canada and Greenland. For the life of me I don't understand why so many people are absolutely unwilling to take this seriously. “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests” - Henry Kissinger

gnfargbl 2y ago
> “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests” Yes, and we are well aware of this. See the history of the Tube Alloys project and the McMahon Act.
zmgsabst 2y ago
The US would obviously prefer they choose to play ball — and if you refer to the actual quote, Trump clearly referred to economic coercion: the question was compound (“economic or military coercion”) and Trump elaborated on his answer (discussing economic pressures). But you’re talking about two massive land masses with relatively little population right next to the US, both in places that will become strategically important as the climate shifts. Of which one (Canada) is openly engaging with the CCP, the US’s geopolitical rival. The US will (if forced to) invade Canada for the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine or China is invading the Philippines and ASEAN Sea: no major power will tolerate a large border controlled by adversarial states.
- llm_nerd 2y ago
  >Of which one (Canada) is openly engaging with the CCP, the US’s geopolitical rival. This is amazing. You cannot be serious. Is this how the insanely ignorant far-right in the US convinces themselves that Canada is a "security threat", ala Russia? There is one country/party that is supercharging China, and has de facto ceded global leadership to them in the most amazing self-own in history, and that is the US under the Trump administration. When American trade and relations collapse into a pile of ashes, and eventually nuclear proliferation gone wild due to your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed, I hope you think "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online" The US is already teetering on the edge of dissolution -- if you don't realize this, you're living a fantasy -- and won't be invading anyone. I doubt the country will even survive the decade. Russia and China cannot believe how profoundly generous Trump and his outrageously ignorant movement could be for them.
  - zmgsabst 2y ago
    > There is one country/party that is supercharging China, and has de facto ceded global leadership to them in the most amazing self-own in history, and that is the US under the Trump administration. Trump is the predictable result of past US administrations doing that, for the past several generations. > When American trade and relations collapse into a pile of ashes, and eventually nuclear proliferation gone wild due to your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed, I hope you think "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online" Are you projecting your own mindset? > your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed > "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online"
    - llm_nerd 2y ago
      You appear to be detached from any actual reality. Your ramblings about Canada "openly engaging" with the CCP are so fantastically nonsensical that it boggles the mind. But yes, do you not understand why the US spent the last half century preventing nuclear proliferation? Trump has ramped up nuclear projects worldwide. And it just turns out that the US -- specifically because of people like you -- is the natural enemy of a lot of other nations. Nuclear proliferation will especially harm the United States. It is an utter certainty. I mean...Trump specifically said that he doesn't care about such things because he "won't be around". Still gets votes by large numbers of possibly the stupidest nation on Earth.
      - zmgsabst 2y ago
        > You appear to be detached from any actual reality. > Still gets votes by large numbers of possibly the stupidest nation on Earth. Ah, the classic ad hominem. > But yes, do you not understand why the US spent the last half century preventing nuclear proliferation? This too is calling me ignorant because I disagree with your assessment: What triggered the destabilizing of global order was the preceding three generations of American weakness and not Trump. Trump was a predictable outcome of, eg, multiple generations of selling the US out to China. Nuclear proliferation is indeed a symptom of that destabilization — but you’re blaming another symptom (Trump) rather than the underlying cause. And proliferation was still happening, eg, North Korea and Iran. > And it just turns out that the US -- specifically because of people like you -- is the natural enemy of a lot of other nations. Mhm.
- smegger001 2y ago
  >But you’re talking about two massive land masses with relatively little population right next to the US, both in places that will become strategically important as the climate shifts Canada has a higher population density than that of Alaska which is right next to it should they take it over for their protection after all the US is engaging with their enemy Russia? no? why not same logic you just gave Second greenland isn't massive it only looks that way due to mercator projection map and the icesheet. >The US will (if forced to) invade Canada for the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine or China is invading the Philippines and ASEAN Sea: no major power will tolerate a large border controlled by adversarial states. Canada isn't a adversarial power they are one of our greatest alies, and everyone is openly engaging China and the CCP including Us, they are the largest industrial power on the planet with the 17% the worlds population it would be bizarre if Canada weren't.
  - zmgsabst 2y ago
    > Canada has a higher population density than that of Alaska which is right next to it should they take it over for their protection after all the US is engaging with their enemy Russia? Do you think they wouldn’t if the population and military strength of the two countries were reversed? They won’t because they’re a tenth the population of the US, and less than that militarily. > Second greenland isn't massive it only looks that way due to mercator projection map and the icesheet. You’re factually wrong: US is 9.9M km2; Canada is 10.0M km2; but Greenland is a hefty 2.2M km2; and for comparison, Alaska is 1.7M km2. If Greenland were an independent country, it would be the 13th largest. Acquiring Greenland would be a gain of about 20%, and a larger contribution than Alaska.

gnfargbl 2y ago

> “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests” Yes, and we are well aware of this. See the history of the Tube Alloys project and the McMahon Act.

zmgsabst 2y ago

The US would obviously prefer they choose to play ball — and if you refer to the actual quote, Trump clearly referred to economic coercion: the question was compound (“economic or military coercion”) and Trump elaborated on his answer (discussing economic pressures). But you’re talking about two massive land masses with relatively little population right next to the US, both in places that will become strategically important as the climate shifts. Of which one (Canada) is openly engaging with the CCP, the US’s geopolitical rival. The US will (if forced to) invade Canada for the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine or China is invading the Philippines and ASEAN Sea: no major power will tolerate a large border controlled by adversarial states.

llm_nerd 2y ago
>Of which one (Canada) is openly engaging with the CCP, the US’s geopolitical rival. This is amazing. You cannot be serious. Is this how the insanely ignorant far-right in the US convinces themselves that Canada is a "security threat", ala Russia? There is one country/party that is supercharging China, and has de facto ceded global leadership to them in the most amazing self-own in history, and that is the US under the Trump administration. When American trade and relations collapse into a pile of ashes, and eventually nuclear proliferation gone wild due to your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed, I hope you think "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online" The US is already teetering on the edge of dissolution -- if you don't realize this, you're living a fantasy -- and won't be invading anyone. I doubt the country will even survive the decade. Russia and China cannot believe how profoundly generous Trump and his outrageously ignorant movement could be for them.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  > There is one country/party that is supercharging China, and has de facto ceded global leadership to them in the most amazing self-own in history, and that is the US under the Trump administration. Trump is the predictable result of past US administrations doing that, for the past several generations. > When American trade and relations collapse into a pile of ashes, and eventually nuclear proliferation gone wild due to your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed, I hope you think "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online" Are you projecting your own mindset? > your clown's actions leads to some American cities glassed > "Boy, but it sure made me feel like a big man saying incredibly stupid things online"
  - llm_nerd 2y ago
    You appear to be detached from any actual reality. Your ramblings about Canada "openly engaging" with the CCP are so fantastically nonsensical that it boggles the mind. But yes, do you not understand why the US spent the last half century preventing nuclear proliferation? Trump has ramped up nuclear projects worldwide. And it just turns out that the US -- specifically because of people like you -- is the natural enemy of a lot of other nations. Nuclear proliferation will especially harm the United States. It is an utter certainty. I mean...Trump specifically said that he doesn't care about such things because he "won't be around". Still gets votes by large numbers of possibly the stupidest nation on Earth.
    - zmgsabst 2y ago
      > You appear to be detached from any actual reality. > Still gets votes by large numbers of possibly the stupidest nation on Earth. Ah, the classic ad hominem. > But yes, do you not understand why the US spent the last half century preventing nuclear proliferation? This too is calling me ignorant because I disagree with your assessment: What triggered the destabilizing of global order was the preceding three generations of American weakness and not Trump. Trump was a predictable outcome of, eg, multiple generations of selling the US out to China. Nuclear proliferation is indeed a symptom of that destabilization — but you’re blaming another symptom (Trump) rather than the underlying cause. And proliferation was still happening, eg, North Korea and Iran. > And it just turns out that the US -- specifically because of people like you -- is the natural enemy of a lot of other nations. Mhm.
smegger001 2y ago
>But you’re talking about two massive land masses with relatively little population right next to the US, both in places that will become strategically important as the climate shifts Canada has a higher population density than that of Alaska which is right next to it should they take it over for their protection after all the US is engaging with their enemy Russia? no? why not same logic you just gave Second greenland isn't massive it only looks that way due to mercator projection map and the icesheet. >The US will (if forced to) invade Canada for the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine or China is invading the Philippines and ASEAN Sea: no major power will tolerate a large border controlled by adversarial states. Canada isn't a adversarial power they are one of our greatest alies, and everyone is openly engaging China and the CCP including Us, they are the largest industrial power on the planet with the 17% the worlds population it would be bizarre if Canada weren't.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  > Canada has a higher population density than that of Alaska which is right next to it should they take it over for their protection after all the US is engaging with their enemy Russia? Do you think they wouldn’t if the population and military strength of the two countries were reversed? They won’t because they’re a tenth the population of the US, and less than that militarily. > Second greenland isn't massive it only looks that way due to mercator projection map and the icesheet. You’re factually wrong: US is 9.9M km2; Canada is 10.0M km2; but Greenland is a hefty 2.2M km2; and for comparison, Alaska is 1.7M km2. If Greenland were an independent country, it would be the 13th largest. Acquiring Greenland would be a gain of about 20%, and a larger contribution than Alaska.