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Interestingly almost everything VW will reintroduce is already physical on Tesla, no? The only thing with no physical buttons on Tesla are the temperature and

by lm2s 2y ago

Interestingly almost everything VW will reintroduce is already physical on Tesla, no? The only thing with no physical buttons on Tesla are the temperature and fans. Or am I missing something?

pja 2y ago
> Interestingly almost everything VW will reintroduce is already physical on Tesla, no? The only thing with no physical buttons on Tesla are the temperature and fans. Or am I missing something? The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. Fine for (most of) the US market but wildly impractical for anywhere you need to use the turn signals mid turn. Anywhere the road system uses roundabouts for instance. To some extent this is just US parochialism leaking out into the rest of the world, but it's typical of Musk style design to not really think through the reasons for existing design choices.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Not having tactile feedback on turn indicators by stock is absurd imho
- nottorp 2y ago
  > The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. I've driven one with an indicator stalk. > Fine for (most of) the US market but wildly impractical for anywhere you need to use the turn signals mid turn. Anywhere the road system uses roundabouts for instance. ... but it was "smart" and didn't physically move and it was useless except for 90 degree turns. I call this the "designed in California" disease. Incidentally, we should be glad Apple abandoned their car plans too.
  - blendergeek 2y ago
    > I've driven one with an indicator stalk. Yes. Teslas used to have a proper indicator stick.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      Model Y still has an indicator stalk.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - nottorp 2y ago
      The one i tried couldn't be called 'proper' though.
- darkwater 2y ago
  > The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. They now reverted that back in the Model Y refresh. Just the indicator stalk (the rest are still gone)
  - indemnity 2y ago
    The Model Y never had buttons for turning.
    - darkwater 2y ago
      I've never said or implied that. But all the last refreshes prior to the MY one had all the stalks removed.
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  "Traditional" auto controls have been refined by over a century of trial and error and real world testing. It takes a special combination of hubris and immaturity to just cast much of that aside without very careful and thorough consideration. The results of doing so speak for themselves.

by lm2s 2y ago

Interestingly almost everything VW will reintroduce is already physical on Tesla, no? The only thing with no physical buttons on Tesla are the temperature and fans. Or am I missing something?

pja 2y ago

> Interestingly almost everything VW will reintroduce is already physical on Tesla, no? The only thing with no physical buttons on Tesla are the temperature and fans. Or am I missing something? The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. Fine for (most of) the US market but wildly impractical for anywhere you need to use the turn signals mid turn. Anywhere the road system uses roundabouts for instance. To some extent this is just US parochialism leaking out into the rest of the world, but it's typical of Musk style design to not really think through the reasons for existing design choices.

amarcheschi 2y ago
Not having tactile feedback on turn indicators by stock is absurd imho
nottorp 2y ago
> The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. I've driven one with an indicator stalk. > Fine for (most of) the US market but wildly impractical for anywhere you need to use the turn signals mid turn. Anywhere the road system uses roundabouts for instance. ... but it was "smart" and didn't physically move and it was useless except for 90 degree turns. I call this the "designed in California" disease. Incidentally, we should be glad Apple abandoned their car plans too.
- blendergeek 2y ago
  > I've driven one with an indicator stalk. Yes. Teslas used to have a proper indicator stick.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    Model Y still has an indicator stalk.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - nottorp 2y ago
    The one i tried couldn't be called 'proper' though.
darkwater 2y ago
> The steering wheel on modern Tesla's has those godawful turn buttons instead of a proper indicator stalk. They now reverted that back in the Model Y refresh. Just the indicator stalk (the rest are still gone)
- indemnity 2y ago
  The Model Y never had buttons for turning.
  - darkwater 2y ago
    I've never said or implied that. But all the last refreshes prior to the MY one had all the stalks removed.
jqpabc123 2y ago
"Traditional" auto controls have been refined by over a century of trial and error and real world testing. It takes a special combination of hubris and immaturity to just cast much of that aside without very careful and thorough consideration. The results of doing so speak for themselves.