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What is the difference between forced slavery and economical slavery ? In both case you spend all your time working and someone else benefit from it while you'

What is the difference between forced slavery and economical slavery ? In both case you spend all your time working and someone else benefit from it while you're left eating the leftover.

croes 2y ago
Only one of them is called free market
- bell-cot 2y ago
  Thus glossing over the fact that most slave societies offer the freedom to market your slaves.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  Free market refers to market participants being free to pick and choose transaction terms for themselves. It is entirely unrelated to the presence or absence of slavery.
t-3 2y ago
The whip on your back, the ability to choose your work to some degree, the part where you get paid, the part where you don't get food housing and medical care from the owner but from your own money, the expectation of basic social respect... Pretty much everything except the part where you don't really have shit at the end.
- ysofunny 2y ago
  the whip got optimized most people have it internalized this was found to be much more efficient that actual whipping
  - nthingtohide 2y ago
    Petition to change "invisible hand" of Adam Smith to "invisible whip".
- slt2021 2y ago
  in the US the whip has morphed, because health insurance is provided by the employer - it forces you to seek employment. if you want to live - you will have to work to have access to healthcare
- numa7numa7 2y ago
  No longer can you just go get 40 acres and a mule survive independantly, so job loss skyrockets your risk of death. The new whip is starvation, homelessness, no health care, being out on the street amongst dangerous people, etc.
Jensson 2y ago
> What is the difference between forced slavery and economical slavery ? Carrot or stick. People like to work for carrots, people don't like to be worked under threat of a stick. A horse that doesn't work dies either way, but one is much happier than the other.
roenxi 2y ago
The key question is something like "am I getting the best deal on offer?" for workers and "are these workers having the biggest impact possible?" for managers. The economy provides structures for the two parties to negotiate the best answers they can find. Slavery puts the decisions to the slave owners, economic slavery retains the decision with the worker. If workers are in a terrible situation then at least they can reorganise if they see a better. With slaves they probably could think of better ways to organise, but the owners blocked them from acting. In practice it means workers have and can act on strong incentives to upskill and find more effective working habits.

What is the difference between forced slavery and economical slavery ? In both case you spend all your time working and someone else benefit from it while you're left eating the leftover.

croes 2y ago

Only one of them is called free market

bell-cot 2y ago
Thus glossing over the fact that most slave societies offer the freedom to market your slaves.
fc417fc802 2y ago
Free market refers to market participants being free to pick and choose transaction terms for themselves. It is entirely unrelated to the presence or absence of slavery.

t-3 2y ago

The whip on your back, the ability to choose your work to some degree, the part where you get paid, the part where you don't get food housing and medical care from the owner but from your own money, the expectation of basic social respect... Pretty much everything except the part where you don't really have shit at the end.

ysofunny 2y ago
the whip got optimized most people have it internalized this was found to be much more efficient that actual whipping
- nthingtohide 2y ago
  Petition to change "invisible hand" of Adam Smith to "invisible whip".
slt2021 2y ago
in the US the whip has morphed, because health insurance is provided by the employer - it forces you to seek employment. if you want to live - you will have to work to have access to healthcare
numa7numa7 2y ago
No longer can you just go get 40 acres and a mule survive independantly, so job loss skyrockets your risk of death. The new whip is starvation, homelessness, no health care, being out on the street amongst dangerous people, etc.

Jensson 2y ago

> What is the difference between forced slavery and economical slavery ? Carrot or stick. People like to work for carrots, people don't like to be worked under threat of a stick. A horse that doesn't work dies either way, but one is much happier than the other.

roenxi 2y ago

The key question is something like "am I getting the best deal on offer?" for workers and "are these workers having the biggest impact possible?" for managers. The economy provides structures for the two parties to negotiate the best answers they can find. Slavery puts the decisions to the slave owners, economic slavery retains the decision with the worker. If workers are in a terrible situation then at least they can reorganise if they see a better. With slaves they probably could think of better ways to organise, but the owners blocked them from acting. In practice it means workers have and can act on strong incentives to upskill and find more effective working habits.