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Yes. I am for public and prominent capital punishment of heinous crimes. Bernie Madoff should have hung on Wall Street. Dylan Roof should have hung in front of

Yes. I am for public and prominent capital punishment of heinous crimes. Bernie Madoff should have hung on Wall Street. Dylan Roof should have hung in front of the state capital building. It is not repugnant, it is a signal of what behavior will and will not be tolerated. We don't have to live in a society with rampant crime. We choose it.

genewitch 2y ago
How many innocent people is it okay to put to death? You'll note that I'm not saying that either of the examples that you gave are innocent people, but innocent people are put to death, so: how many? This isn't a trick question. It's not okay to say, well, ideally there should be none. I'm asking right now since you think we should be hanging people in the public square. The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death. So there's no bright line for anything that we can point to and say that's how you do it. It is also not okay to say that they exhausted all avenues of the justice system available to them and unfortunately it didn't work and them's the breaks kid. So how many innocent people is it okay to put to death?
- devsda 2y ago
  > The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death. Unfortunately, the governments and law enforcement community's answer to this problem will not be "may be we need to reconsider our laws". It will most likely be "then let's make sure we have more information to determine the truth i.e. more surveillance".
  - genewitch 2y ago
    I know, were that it weren't necessary. Adam Carolla said there should be a way to make a lie detector where if you fail it 3 times or 10 times or whatever, that's it, jail. I just pulled a sample from my transcripts, from 2003: https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/CarollaLieDetectors1 https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/CarollaLieDetec...
- mkoubaa 2y ago
  It is not ok to put any innocent people to death and it is also not ok to live in an unsafe society. I believe that the death penalty should be applied with extreme prejudice for the most serious of crimes. You don't need to and shouldn't apply it to all murders. Furthermore, anyone guilty of rape should be castrated
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > It is not ok to put any innocent people to death > I believe that the death penalty should be applied with extreme prejudice for the most serious of crimes. I’d recommend you re-read their comment and then try to reconcile these statements. In particular, pay special attention to this part: > The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death.
    - mkoubaa 2y ago
      "It's not ok" is a value judgement. I am not implying that a death penalty means bad things never happen. I support death penalty because I value an orderly and safe society more. In the form I would accept, it would be used on people convicted of heinous crimes, some of which will be innocent, with the effect that fewer heinous crimes occur.
- eadmund 2y ago
  How many innocent people is it okay to put into prison? You cannot give years back to an innocent prisoner any more than you can give life back to an innocent executee. There is a cost to any action, including inaction. There is a cost to not executing justice (which is what capital punishment is, in the case of the guilty: justice); there is a cost in doing injustice.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    An innocent prisoner years later can at least be compensated monetarily and try to get a life. Sure, it's not perfect, but at least it's something. A corpse is pretty final, though, and there's no recourse.

genewitch 2y ago

How many innocent people is it okay to put to death? You'll note that I'm not saying that either of the examples that you gave are innocent people, but innocent people are put to death, so: how many? This isn't a trick question. It's not okay to say, well, ideally there should be none. I'm asking right now since you think we should be hanging people in the public square. The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death. So there's no bright line for anything that we can point to and say that's how you do it. It is also not okay to say that they exhausted all avenues of the justice system available to them and unfortunately it didn't work and them's the breaks kid. So how many innocent people is it okay to put to death?

devsda 2y ago
> The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death. Unfortunately, the governments and law enforcement community's answer to this problem will not be "may be we need to reconsider our laws". It will most likely be "then let's make sure we have more information to determine the truth i.e. more surveillance".
- genewitch 2y ago
  I know, were that it weren't necessary. Adam Carolla said there should be a way to make a lie detector where if you fail it 3 times or 10 times or whatever, that's it, jail. I just pulled a sample from my transcripts, from 2003: https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/CarollaLieDetectors1 https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/CarollaLieDetec...
mkoubaa 2y ago
It is not ok to put any innocent people to death and it is also not ok to live in an unsafe society. I believe that the death penalty should be applied with extreme prejudice for the most serious of crimes. You don't need to and shouldn't apply it to all murders. Furthermore, anyone guilty of rape should be castrated
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  > It is not ok to put any innocent people to death > I believe that the death penalty should be applied with extreme prejudice for the most serious of crimes. I’d recommend you re-read their comment and then try to reconcile these statements. In particular, pay special attention to this part: > The death penalty necessarily means in our imperfect information world that innocent people will be put to death.
  - mkoubaa 2y ago
    "It's not ok" is a value judgement. I am not implying that a death penalty means bad things never happen. I support death penalty because I value an orderly and safe society more. In the form I would accept, it would be used on people convicted of heinous crimes, some of which will be innocent, with the effect that fewer heinous crimes occur.
eadmund 2y ago
How many innocent people is it okay to put into prison? You cannot give years back to an innocent prisoner any more than you can give life back to an innocent executee. There is a cost to any action, including inaction. There is a cost to not executing justice (which is what capital punishment is, in the case of the guilty: justice); there is a cost in doing injustice.
- int_19h 2y ago
  An innocent prisoner years later can at least be compensated monetarily and try to get a life. Sure, it's not perfect, but at least it's something. A corpse is pretty final, though, and there's no recourse.