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Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry? That seems hardly relevant considering th

Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry? That seems hardly relevant considering that other European countries realistically can only acquire nuclear weapons if they have political support from France/UK. In those cases French/British companies would be more than willing to sell whatever equipment they need as well (that’s how Britain got Trident after all..)

alephnerd 2y ago
> Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry? Because then you don't actually have autonomy. If Germany or Poland are dependent on ArianeGroup, then they are dependent on France, who will have a final say on deployment and utilization of it's technology in an offensive manner, and Germany, Poland, and France often don't see eye to eye. > those cases French/British companies would be more than willing to sell whatever equipment they need as well And those sales come with stipulations and shutdown options from the French and British government (the Germans do the same with their own weapons programs such as Eurofighter). In general, a country like Germany or Poland just cannot fully build a nuclear weapons program that could be deterrent, and the money either would spend on such a program just doesn't make sense when there is much lower hanging fruit in conventional warfare.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  So Britain doesn’t have autonomy either considering their missiles were made by Lockhead Martin? However my point is that Germany or Poland developing nuclear weapons without direct support of Britain/France is not even worth discussing. It would be infeasible due to a variety of political/military/economic/other reasons. I don’t think that it’s something even would be considering even semi seriously at this point. Realistically some More centralized EU based nuclear weapon sharing program might be feasible but it’s very far away at this point.

alephnerd 2y ago

> Poland and Germany can just have Ariane make their rockets. Why would they need a local domestic aero-space industry? Because then you don't actually have autonomy. If Germany or Poland are dependent on ArianeGroup, then they are dependent on France, who will have a final say on deployment and utilization of it's technology in an offensive manner, and Germany, Poland, and France often don't see eye to eye. > those cases French/British companies would be more than willing to sell whatever equipment they need as well And those sales come with stipulations and shutdown options from the French and British government (the Germans do the same with their own weapons programs such as Eurofighter). In general, a country like Germany or Poland just cannot fully build a nuclear weapons program that could be deterrent, and the money either would spend on such a program just doesn't make sense when there is much lower hanging fruit in conventional warfare.

wqaatwt 2y ago
So Britain doesn’t have autonomy either considering their missiles were made by Lockhead Martin? However my point is that Germany or Poland developing nuclear weapons without direct support of Britain/France is not even worth discussing. It would be infeasible due to a variety of political/military/economic/other reasons. I don’t think that it’s something even would be considering even semi seriously at this point. Realistically some More centralized EU based nuclear weapon sharing program might be feasible but it’s very far away at this point.