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> I am pretty sure 99% of people would halt at 'gpg' , and that's now -- not 60 years from now. I know reading the docs is considered uncool for some reason, b

> I am pretty sure 99% of people would halt at 'gpg' , and that's now -- not 60 years from now. I know reading the docs is considered uncool for some reason, but it really does work.

OJFord 2y ago
To how many non-SWE members of your family could you say 'here is the Netflix password, you can decrypt it with gpg', and have them be like 'ah yes, let me just `man gpg` this will be no problem'?
- tex0 2y ago
  Probably zero. And strike the non-SWE part. gpg isn't really easy to use.
  - trueismywork 2y ago
    Hence need to invest in better opennsource pgp tooling. It won't take more than 10 million USD and will benefit every single person on earth.
  - timeflex 2y ago
    Google, "How do I decrypt a GPG file." First result with simple command. I went from KeePassXC to `pass` & back to KeePassXC. But I question the integrity and/or motive of people like you.
- shaky-carrousel 2y ago
  If secretaries can learn Emacs, surely people can learn GPG. Underestimating others does no one any favors. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html
- stockboss 2y ago
  i would imagine if a lot of money, like millions, was on the line, people get really resourceful all of a sudden. of course, we're not talking Netflix passwords but usernames and passwords to brokerages, bank accounts, etc.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    Sure, but surely we're intending to leave them access, not a problem to solve.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Often curiosity is motivation enough. Some people go to great lengths just to learn something about their distant ancestors.
- darkwater 2y ago
  They can just ask the super AGI that will exist to tell them how to do. Heck, even current LLMs can tell you how to do it step by step.
  - fc417fc802 2y ago
    Cynically, it's far more likely they will upload the gpg blob to said agent, provide it with the password via the conversation box, and ask it to directly provide the specific information that they're after. The AI model will be of certified provenance and run on attested hardware [0] so this won't be as much of a security issue as you might expect. Naturally the various three letter agencies will have full hardware access including query history. Periodically, hardware zero days will drop and all hell will break loose. Alright that's enough speculative dystopian fiction for me for today. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42454139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42454139
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Until ChatGPT? Zero. Since ChatGPT? ~all of them except maybe my grandparents.

> I am pretty sure 99% of people would halt at 'gpg' , and that's now -- not 60 years from now. I know reading the docs is considered uncool for some reason, but it really does work.

OJFord 2y ago

To how many non-SWE members of your family could you say 'here is the Netflix password, you can decrypt it with gpg', and have them be like 'ah yes, let me just `man gpg` this will be no problem'?

tex0 2y ago
Probably zero. And strike the non-SWE part. gpg isn't really easy to use.
- trueismywork 2y ago
  Hence need to invest in better opennsource pgp tooling. It won't take more than 10 million USD and will benefit every single person on earth.
- timeflex 2y ago
  Google, "How do I decrypt a GPG file." First result with simple command. I went from KeePassXC to `pass` & back to KeePassXC. But I question the integrity and/or motive of people like you.
shaky-carrousel 2y ago
If secretaries can learn Emacs, surely people can learn GPG. Underestimating others does no one any favors. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html
stockboss 2y ago
i would imagine if a lot of money, like millions, was on the line, people get really resourceful all of a sudden. of course, we're not talking Netflix passwords but usernames and passwords to brokerages, bank accounts, etc.
- OJFord 2y ago
  Sure, but surely we're intending to leave them access, not a problem to solve.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Often curiosity is motivation enough. Some people go to great lengths just to learn something about their distant ancestors.
darkwater 2y ago
They can just ask the super AGI that will exist to tell them how to do. Heck, even current LLMs can tell you how to do it step by step.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  Cynically, it's far more likely they will upload the gpg blob to said agent, provide it with the password via the conversation box, and ask it to directly provide the specific information that they're after. The AI model will be of certified provenance and run on attested hardware [0] so this won't be as much of a security issue as you might expect. Naturally the various three letter agencies will have full hardware access including query history. Periodically, hardware zero days will drop and all hell will break loose. Alright that's enough speculative dystopian fiction for me for today. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42454139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42454139
TeMPOraL 2y ago
Until ChatGPT? Zero. Since ChatGPT? ~all of them except maybe my grandparents.