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If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place. For the same reason

If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place. For the same reason a brutal war movie motivates someone towards it, is the same reason watching UFC videos of guys faces getting rearranged motivates. It balloons up the part of you that believe they failed where you won't. That is why it "glorifies".

t-3 2y ago
I don't think the egotistical notion that the viewer would succeed where others failed is even a thing, or that it takes a "certain type of person". It's just that violence is stimulating and fun to the perpetrators and witnesses. Civilization is not something innate, it's something that must be learned and maintained and practiced or else we lose it.
thomassmith65 2y ago
There is a lot of truth to that, and it applies to many of the other films people have mentioned in this thread. It's easy to see why someone would find aspects of 'Saving Private Ryan' attractive (eg: Private Jackson, the sharpshooter), and it doesn't require much imagination to see how aspects even of Nazi villains can be attractive (they had the best uniforms). It's more difficult to see how 'Born on the Fourth of July' would leave anyone - even a sadist - enthusiastic about war. It's not like Kubrik's 'Clockwork Orange' in which some of the violence, in a sick way, empowers the main character. Instead, the main character pathetically bumbles into shooting people he doesn't mean to, is shot himself, and turns into an angry loser in a wheelchair (until he finds his calling as a peace activist).
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  > they had the best uniforms And the fascists have the outfits But I don't care for the outfits What I care about is music And the communists have the music https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2-ACZhg_g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2-ACZhg_g
  - MarcelOlsz 2y ago
    100%. Conservatives are usually failed artists. Great tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g Great song thank you.
tbrownaw 2y ago
> If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place. There have on occasion been wars that were fought over resources rather than for recreation.
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- akho 2y ago
  You can trade and bargain for resources. It only gets to war if someone finds war more appealing.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    Or stealing them is easier. Pre modern economies were to a large extent zero sum and violence was pervasive (e.g. there was a lot of overlap between being a merchant and a pirate, you did whichever seemed more profitable at the time).

t-3 2y ago

I don't think the egotistical notion that the viewer would succeed where others failed is even a thing, or that it takes a "certain type of person". It's just that violence is stimulating and fun to the perpetrators and witnesses. Civilization is not something innate, it's something that must be learned and maintained and practiced or else we lose it.

thomassmith65 2y ago

There is a lot of truth to that, and it applies to many of the other films people have mentioned in this thread. It's easy to see why someone would find aspects of 'Saving Private Ryan' attractive (eg: Private Jackson, the sharpshooter), and it doesn't require much imagination to see how aspects even of Nazi villains can be attractive (they had the best uniforms). It's more difficult to see how 'Born on the Fourth of July' would leave anyone - even a sadist - enthusiastic about war. It's not like Kubrik's 'Clockwork Orange' in which some of the violence, in a sick way, empowers the main character. Instead, the main character pathetically bumbles into shooting people he doesn't mean to, is shot himself, and turns into an angry loser in a wheelchair (until he finds his calling as a peace activist).

shermantanktop 2y ago
> they had the best uniforms And the fascists have the outfits But I don't care for the outfits What I care about is music And the communists have the music https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2-ACZhg_g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2-ACZhg_g
- MarcelOlsz 2y ago
  100%. Conservatives are usually failed artists. Great tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g Great song thank you.

tbrownaw 2y ago

> If brutality and cruelty didn't appeal to a certain type of person we wouldn't have war, fighting, or any of that stuff in the first place. There have on occasion been wars that were fought over resources rather than for recreation.

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akho 2y ago
You can trade and bargain for resources. It only gets to war if someone finds war more appealing.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  Or stealing them is easier. Pre modern economies were to a large extent zero sum and violence was pervasive (e.g. there was a lot of overlap between being a merchant and a pirate, you did whichever seemed more profitable at the time).