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> There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin Not enough to indict, anyways, but there's a spectrum between insane left-wing co

> There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin Not enough to indict, anyways, but there's a spectrum between insane left-wing conspiracy and a jury conviction. Paul Manafort, Trumps 2016 campaign chairman, was sentenced to 7 years prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy against the United States. His protege Rick Gates did 45 days in a plea bargain deal. Then there was the time Trump stood up at his campaign podium and directly asked Russian hackers to leak more Clinton emails: > “Russia, if you’re listening,” Trump said, “I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.” And during his presidency, he went out of his way to take secret meetings with Putin in Hamburg Germany[1], among other places. We have no idea what was discussed, which seemingly checks the "secret" box at least. As for "knowing," well, he directly asked for their help, but who knows how mentally "there" he is. Comes down to "for" I guess, as I'm sure he'd characterize it as "with"? [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration/2019/01/12/65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump...

noworriesnate 2y ago
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- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Trump is pro-peace, No, he's not. He is actively, not merely tacitly, supporting Russia's war of aggression. > which is a nuanced position, which appears to be pro-Putin to people who want the war to continue. Trump wants Russia to win the war, as quickly as possible. He also wants to be seen as pro-peace, so makes a handful of insubstantial gestures in that direction, that misdirect the extremely gullible and are grabbed onto as if they were real by other equally-dishonest backers of Russia. > Accusing people who want the war to end of being cowards or siding with the enemy is unfortunately a story as old as war itself. People actually siding with the enemy pretending to be merely pro-peace despite is also a story as old as war itself. > The left used to have a coherent antiwar movement, but now apparently that also is right wing. Not for a very long time; during the Cold War, it had an incoherent anti-war movement that was a mix of genuinely anti-war people with a very large group that was, instead, knowing and willing pawns of the Communist bloc and actively serving that bloc's geopolitical interests. (That's still, mutatis mutandis, the case on the left, too, the genuinely anti-war side being against Russian aggression as they tend to be against aggression everywhere, while often remaining skeptical of details of intervention against it, while the formerly pro-Soviet group has remained pro-Moscow even though the Soviet Union fell and Russia is no longer even notionally left-leaning -- they are the leftists you see opposing Western support for Ukraine as "imperialism" but not saying a peep about the Russian invasion, for instance; of course, many of the prominent individuals in that "left" group have switched to the Right -- including people like Trump's Director of National Intelligence -- because while leftist, pro-Russia or not, are shut out of political power in the US [the dominant faction of the Democratic Party being center-right], the Right is a more effective place to advance their real mission, where either left or right ideology is a cover for personal corruption and advancing Russian geopolitical interests.)
- dralley 2y ago
  > Trump is pro-peace I'd love to hear you square this with his position on Iran and Gaza. Trump is not "pro-peace". His position on the Ukraine conflict is unique to that conflict and he only ever seems to apply pressure on Ukraine. They get the stick, Russia gets the carrot. Remember that his first reaction to the conflict was to call it "very smart"
  - labster 2y ago
    That’s simple, once all of the Gazans have been relocated, it will be peaceful. And then we will say that the Gaza holocaust never happened (and they deserved it). Gaz-a-Lago is going to be such a peaceful resort it will be unbelievable. Believe me!
- munificent 2y ago
  A pro-peace President would not be threatening to annex Canada and Greenland.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  Trump is pro-peace as much as Dr. Josef Mengele was :)

noworriesnate 2y ago

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dragonwriter 2y ago
> Trump is pro-peace, No, he's not. He is actively, not merely tacitly, supporting Russia's war of aggression. > which is a nuanced position, which appears to be pro-Putin to people who want the war to continue. Trump wants Russia to win the war, as quickly as possible. He also wants to be seen as pro-peace, so makes a handful of insubstantial gestures in that direction, that misdirect the extremely gullible and are grabbed onto as if they were real by other equally-dishonest backers of Russia. > Accusing people who want the war to end of being cowards or siding with the enemy is unfortunately a story as old as war itself. People actually siding with the enemy pretending to be merely pro-peace despite is also a story as old as war itself. > The left used to have a coherent antiwar movement, but now apparently that also is right wing. Not for a very long time; during the Cold War, it had an incoherent anti-war movement that was a mix of genuinely anti-war people with a very large group that was, instead, knowing and willing pawns of the Communist bloc and actively serving that bloc's geopolitical interests. (That's still, mutatis mutandis, the case on the left, too, the genuinely anti-war side being against Russian aggression as they tend to be against aggression everywhere, while often remaining skeptical of details of intervention against it, while the formerly pro-Soviet group has remained pro-Moscow even though the Soviet Union fell and Russia is no longer even notionally left-leaning -- they are the leftists you see opposing Western support for Ukraine as "imperialism" but not saying a peep about the Russian invasion, for instance; of course, many of the prominent individuals in that "left" group have switched to the Right -- including people like Trump's Director of National Intelligence -- because while leftist, pro-Russia or not, are shut out of political power in the US [the dominant faction of the Democratic Party being center-right], the Right is a more effective place to advance their real mission, where either left or right ideology is a cover for personal corruption and advancing Russian geopolitical interests.)
dralley 2y ago
> Trump is pro-peace I'd love to hear you square this with his position on Iran and Gaza. Trump is not "pro-peace". His position on the Ukraine conflict is unique to that conflict and he only ever seems to apply pressure on Ukraine. They get the stick, Russia gets the carrot. Remember that his first reaction to the conflict was to call it "very smart"
- labster 2y ago
  That’s simple, once all of the Gazans have been relocated, it will be peaceful. And then we will say that the Gaza holocaust never happened (and they deserved it). Gaz-a-Lago is going to be such a peaceful resort it will be unbelievable. Believe me!
munificent 2y ago
A pro-peace President would not be threatening to annex Canada and Greenland.
bdangubic 2y ago
Trump is pro-peace as much as Dr. Josef Mengele was :)