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This is not reasonable. That doesnt make him prejudiced. He just likes bananas and doesnt like natto. I dont want to see morbidly obese people naked either, i

This is not reasonable. That doesnt make him prejudiced. He just likes bananas and doesnt like natto. I dont want to see morbidly obese people naked either, its gross to me.

mschoch 2y ago
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slg 2y ago
>That doesnt make him prejudiced It is literally the dictionary definition of prejudice. From Merriam-Webster[1]: >1. b (1) - an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge They directly said "two dudes kissing... feels wrong to me but when I try to come up with an explanation I have none." That is an "adverse opinion" they immediately admit to holding "without just grounds". [1] - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice
- ty6853 2y ago
  Which provides the nexus, are we being prejudiced when we arrest the couple banging on a park hill in view of public? Or is there actually some deteriorated outcome from that other than it don't seem right.
  - johnny22 2y ago
    for one it is against the law in a lot of places :) Why it's against the law is another discussion.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Sure it being against the law allows an arrest. But in reality someone usually has to call it in, and unless there is a reward in it for them their real reason is it is bothering them somehow. If you grill at the park, beer in hand, while grilling up an American classic of burgers and dogs for your onlooking happy family, in reality there is about 99% chance anyone seeing it is at worst going to ask you to put a coozy on it in the politest way (and rarely even that). Even though it is illegal. Now if you get sloppy and harass people, or look homeless, the calls will start. Banging in the park in open sight on a hill? Odds are totally inverted. There's something more than law at play.
- kerkeslager 2y ago
  A strategic tip: he doesn't care that he's prejudiced, so showing he's prejudiced doesn't do much.
  - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
    What can he do before you determine that he has justification in his purely qualitative preference? Let a man fuck him in the ass? Your position is not just unrealistic, it is out of sync with how the other 8 billion humans on the planet operate.
    - kerkeslager 2y ago
      I really don't know how you came to any conclusions about "my position", given I did not actually state a position on this.
      - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
        the way your response was phrased implies to readers that you agree with the accusation of prejudice. if that was not intended, my apologies. an agreement of the accusation of prejudice would imply a lot about your beliefs
        kerkeslager 2y ago
        I don't know why I'd form an opinion on whether he's prejudiced--I'm not particularly interested in classifying people based on arbitrary divisions, especially when they're pendantic dictionary definitions that include archaic meanings of the word. I'm more interested in discussing people's beliefs and behaviors. Two situations have been mentioned in this thread: 1) coming across two men kissing in public, and 2) you seeing a morbidly obese person naked. I honestly have no interest in classifying either you or the GP as prejudiced or not prejudiced for your feelings in either of these situations. What I'm more interested in is: 1) Can you regulate your emotions and behave reasonably in these situations, and 2) What underlying beliefs cause you to feel some kind of way about these situations in the first place. To be frank, I think it's childish to be unable to regulate your emotions in these situations. Context of course matters--if someone is trying to force you to look at these things, that's not okay. But that's not what's happening in the vast majority of cases. In the vast majority of cases, if you come across men kissing in public, or a fat person naked in a locker room or bathhouse, those are just people going about their lives and if you have some negative feeling about that, that's very much your problem. It's not their problem, and it's not the problem of the legal system. To be clear, your purely qualitative preference is 100% not anyone else's problem. I don't care what your purely qualitative preference is, but I do care that you're making it other people's problem. People will really talk about how they value freedom and make fun of "snowflakes" for getting "triggered" and then those same people will want to restrict gay or fat people from doing the same things as straight or thin people so they can avoid getting triggered. It's childish in a literal sense, like a kid crying because they're mad that it's raining. Sure, you can not like the rain--that's valid--but at a certain maturity level we can expect that you will regulate your emotions enough to not lose your shit about situations where you can have no reasonable expectation that things will go the way you prefer. The reason your beliefs matter is because people like me are willing to teach you how to regulate your emotions. Part of how you regulate your emotions is by questioning the beliefs that cause you to feel what you're feeling. For example, you seem very concerned about the absurd possibility that someone might expect you to (in your words) "let a man fuck [you] in the ass". I'm sure you can find some fringe weirdo who wants that, but I am very confident that nobody in this conversation is interested in coercing anyone into anal sex, or any sort of gay activity for that matter. The only thing I want from you in relation to gay people is for you to treat them with the same kindness and respect that you (ostensibly) treat anyone else with. Maybe if you were a little less irrationally terrified that a gay guy would try to have sex with you, you'd be able to regulate your emotions about gay people a bit better. And... I'm not fat positive by the way. I think the science is pretty clear that obesity is a serious health issue. I just don't see any rational reason to leap from that to insisting that fat people are ugly and gross. Do you go out of your way to tell people with lung cancer that you're not attracted to them?
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  I dont have to justify why I dont like bananas. It is intrinsic to me. I am not prejudiced against bananas.

This is not reasonable. That doesnt make him prejudiced. He just likes bananas and doesnt like natto. I dont want to see morbidly obese people naked either, its gross to me.

mschoch 2y ago

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slg 2y ago

>That doesnt make him prejudiced It is literally the dictionary definition of prejudice. From Merriam-Webster[1]: >1. b (1) - an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge They directly said "two dudes kissing... feels wrong to me but when I try to come up with an explanation I have none." That is an "adverse opinion" they immediately admit to holding "without just grounds". [1] - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice

ty6853 2y ago
Which provides the nexus, are we being prejudiced when we arrest the couple banging on a park hill in view of public? Or is there actually some deteriorated outcome from that other than it don't seem right.
- johnny22 2y ago
  for one it is against the law in a lot of places :) Why it's against the law is another discussion.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Sure it being against the law allows an arrest. But in reality someone usually has to call it in, and unless there is a reward in it for them their real reason is it is bothering them somehow. If you grill at the park, beer in hand, while grilling up an American classic of burgers and dogs for your onlooking happy family, in reality there is about 99% chance anyone seeing it is at worst going to ask you to put a coozy on it in the politest way (and rarely even that). Even though it is illegal. Now if you get sloppy and harass people, or look homeless, the calls will start. Banging in the park in open sight on a hill? Odds are totally inverted. There's something more than law at play.
kerkeslager 2y ago
A strategic tip: he doesn't care that he's prejudiced, so showing he's prejudiced doesn't do much.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
  What can he do before you determine that he has justification in his purely qualitative preference? Let a man fuck him in the ass? Your position is not just unrealistic, it is out of sync with how the other 8 billion humans on the planet operate.
  - kerkeslager 2y ago
    I really don't know how you came to any conclusions about "my position", given I did not actually state a position on this.
    - wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
      the way your response was phrased implies to readers that you agree with the accusation of prejudice. if that was not intended, my apologies. an agreement of the accusation of prejudice would imply a lot about your beliefs
      - kerkeslager 2y ago
        I don't know why I'd form an opinion on whether he's prejudiced--I'm not particularly interested in classifying people based on arbitrary divisions, especially when they're pendantic dictionary definitions that include archaic meanings of the word. I'm more interested in discussing people's beliefs and behaviors. Two situations have been mentioned in this thread: 1) coming across two men kissing in public, and 2) you seeing a morbidly obese person naked. I honestly have no interest in classifying either you or the GP as prejudiced or not prejudiced for your feelings in either of these situations. What I'm more interested in is: 1) Can you regulate your emotions and behave reasonably in these situations, and 2) What underlying beliefs cause you to feel some kind of way about these situations in the first place. To be frank, I think it's childish to be unable to regulate your emotions in these situations. Context of course matters--if someone is trying to force you to look at these things, that's not okay. But that's not what's happening in the vast majority of cases. In the vast majority of cases, if you come across men kissing in public, or a fat person naked in a locker room or bathhouse, those are just people going about their lives and if you have some negative feeling about that, that's very much your problem. It's not their problem, and it's not the problem of the legal system. To be clear, your purely qualitative preference is 100% not anyone else's problem. I don't care what your purely qualitative preference is, but I do care that you're making it other people's problem. People will really talk about how they value freedom and make fun of "snowflakes" for getting "triggered" and then those same people will want to restrict gay or fat people from doing the same things as straight or thin people so they can avoid getting triggered. It's childish in a literal sense, like a kid crying because they're mad that it's raining. Sure, you can not like the rain--that's valid--but at a certain maturity level we can expect that you will regulate your emotions enough to not lose your shit about situations where you can have no reasonable expectation that things will go the way you prefer. The reason your beliefs matter is because people like me are willing to teach you how to regulate your emotions. Part of how you regulate your emotions is by questioning the beliefs that cause you to feel what you're feeling. For example, you seem very concerned about the absurd possibility that someone might expect you to (in your words) "let a man fuck [you] in the ass". I'm sure you can find some fringe weirdo who wants that, but I am very confident that nobody in this conversation is interested in coercing anyone into anal sex, or any sort of gay activity for that matter. The only thing I want from you in relation to gay people is for you to treat them with the same kindness and respect that you (ostensibly) treat anyone else with. Maybe if you were a little less irrationally terrified that a gay guy would try to have sex with you, you'd be able to regulate your emotions about gay people a bit better. And... I'm not fat positive by the way. I think the science is pretty clear that obesity is a serious health issue. I just don't see any rational reason to leap from that to insisting that fat people are ugly and gross. Do you go out of your way to tell people with lung cancer that you're not attracted to them?
wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
I dont have to justify why I dont like bananas. It is intrinsic to me. I am not prejudiced against bananas.