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I agree and I'm from the states. History will be unkind to trump and the GOP, who are playing with people's lives and fire.

jdhendrickson 2y ago
It depends on who writes the history books in the states, and it's not looking good.
- lostlogin 2y ago
  It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
  - kevinventullo 2y ago
    Winners create the 5-second infotainment TikTok historical summary.
    - collingreen 2y ago
      We've always been at war with Eurasia.
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    history is full of books that were deemed illegal that won in the end.
    - lazide 2y ago
      And you’ll never know about the 100x other ones that ‘lost’.
      - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        do you know about the 100x other ones that "lost"? I ask because you seem pretty certain they exist.
        lazide 2y ago
        So the library of Alexandria never burned? All the referenced lost works from Rome were made up? Or many, many other examples.
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        the discussion was about works that were declared illegal. The burning of the library of Alexandria under Theophilus has some connection to that idea, but it is I think wider. Every referenced lost work from Rome was not lost because they were declared illegal.
        lazide 2y ago
        The discussion was ‘history is written by the victors’, which isn’t just making books illegal. It also includes making things (intentionally) irrelevant, destroying old copies, etc. Hell, most early Bibles count, or do you think the council of Nicea resulted in something other than what is being described for large swathes of early church writings?
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        the comment I replied to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296466 >It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal. the discussion may be wider than that comment, but my comment, even if one did not want to give it a charitable reading and was really intent on winning an HN argument today for some reason - which I understand, I been there - would really be most reasonably interpreted as a comment that making books illegal often has the exact opposite of the desired result. With charity one might also conclude that there is an implied link between quality of the winners in these scenarios, but anyway you seem to have some particular problem and unwillingness to say "huh, well the guy replied to a comment regarding making books illegal and only seems to think that is what is under discussion, I guess no arguing him out of that" so I guess we should just stop rather than you throwing out examples in which books have been changed, under the mistaken assumption that I know nothing about this history (I have read the Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha, and the "forgotten books of Eden", so I believe I have a reasonable knowledge regarding your latest sally)
lazyeye 2y ago
The majority of US voters disagree with you. I think the latest poll showed 70% of people like what Doge is doing for example.
- t0mas88 2y ago
  Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture. The UK with Brexit is a good example. The majority of the voters believed it was a good idea, due to campaigns not really based on facts. Now they're all angry because the results suck for them and the campaigns were mostly lies. The same is going to happen with the US majority backing Trump's plans. They all believe a lot of lies he keeps telling. And in a few years they're going to be angry because they then face the consequences like high prices for everyday purchases and terrible healthcare for the working class. It's just that today they don't understand yet what the results of Trump's policies are going to be. And shouting "Canada/Europe/China has been very bad for us" gets them excited, simple human nature, our group vs the other.
  - bloomingeek 2y ago
    "Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture." And there it is! The info given by the current administration is as bewildering as it is incomplete. Russia, governmental agencies, Medicaid(!), medical researchers (who are shaking in their boots about their futures)...it's a long list with very little reasonable excuses. Musk? I'll stop here. The point being, we won't know until years from now the damage that's being done to both the states and the world stage.
    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Just because you're bewildered doesn't mean other people are. I think most people understand the scale of the problem and the need for massive action to address it. And they also understand that mistakes will be made but they will be quickly resolved. And I think most people are relieved that for the first time in a hundred years (ever?) somebody is actually doing something to address govt fraud, waste and abuse. Something more than lots of talk followed by no action which is what has always happened previously.
crossroadsguy 2y ago
Go and ask the general populace of UK (you know what, focus on the school and college goers) and ask what their country and their His/Her Royal Fartnesses have done to a large part of this globe and revel in the genuine blanks they draw! History writing my arse!
bitsage 2y ago
It will probably be kinder to him than to the neoliberals who thought that giving trillions to an authoritarian regime would somehow make them a liberal democracy.
- bloomingeek 2y ago
  Do tell! Give sources.

jdhendrickson 2y ago

It depends on who writes the history books in the states, and it's not looking good.

lostlogin 2y ago
It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
- kevinventullo 2y ago
  Winners create the 5-second infotainment TikTok historical summary.
  - collingreen 2y ago
    We've always been at war with Eurasia.
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  history is full of books that were deemed illegal that won in the end.
  - lazide 2y ago
    And you’ll never know about the 100x other ones that ‘lost’.
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      do you know about the 100x other ones that "lost"? I ask because you seem pretty certain they exist.
      - lazide 2y ago
        So the library of Alexandria never burned? All the referenced lost works from Rome were made up? Or many, many other examples.
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        the discussion was about works that were declared illegal. The burning of the library of Alexandria under Theophilus has some connection to that idea, but it is I think wider. Every referenced lost work from Rome was not lost because they were declared illegal.
        lazide 2y ago
        The discussion was ‘history is written by the victors’, which isn’t just making books illegal. It also includes making things (intentionally) irrelevant, destroying old copies, etc. Hell, most early Bibles count, or do you think the council of Nicea resulted in something other than what is being described for large swathes of early church writings?
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        the comment I replied to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296466 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43296466 >It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal. the discussion may be wider than that comment, but my comment, even if one did not want to give it a charitable reading and was really intent on winning an HN argument today for some reason - which I understand, I been there - would really be most reasonably interpreted as a comment that making books illegal often has the exact opposite of the desired result. With charity one might also conclude that there is an implied link between quality of the winners in these scenarios, but anyway you seem to have some particular problem and unwillingness to say "huh, well the guy replied to a comment regarding making books illegal and only seems to think that is what is under discussion, I guess no arguing him out of that" so I guess we should just stop rather than you throwing out examples in which books have been changed, under the mistaken assumption that I know nothing about this history (I have read the Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha, and the "forgotten books of Eden", so I believe I have a reasonable knowledge regarding your latest sally)

lazyeye 2y ago

The majority of US voters disagree with you. I think the latest poll showed 70% of people like what Doge is doing for example.

t0mas88 2y ago
Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture. The UK with Brexit is a good example. The majority of the voters believed it was a good idea, due to campaigns not really based on facts. Now they're all angry because the results suck for them and the campaigns were mostly lies. The same is going to happen with the US majority backing Trump's plans. They all believe a lot of lies he keeps telling. And in a few years they're going to be angry because they then face the consequences like high prices for everyday purchases and terrible healthcare for the working class. It's just that today they don't understand yet what the results of Trump's policies are going to be. And shouting "Canada/Europe/China has been very bad for us" gets them excited, simple human nature, our group vs the other.
- bloomingeek 2y ago
  "Sure, but that's because they don't understand the bigger picture." And there it is! The info given by the current administration is as bewildering as it is incomplete. Russia, governmental agencies, Medicaid(!), medical researchers (who are shaking in their boots about their futures)...it's a long list with very little reasonable excuses. Musk? I'll stop here. The point being, we won't know until years from now the damage that's being done to both the states and the world stage.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    Just because you're bewildered doesn't mean other people are. I think most people understand the scale of the problem and the need for massive action to address it. And they also understand that mistakes will be made but they will be quickly resolved. And I think most people are relieved that for the first time in a hundred years (ever?) somebody is actually doing something to address govt fraud, waste and abuse. Something more than lots of talk followed by no action which is what has always happened previously.

crossroadsguy 2y ago

Go and ask the general populace of UK (you know what, focus on the school and college goers) and ask what their country and their His/Her Royal Fartnesses have done to a large part of this globe and revel in the genuine blanks they draw! History writing my arse!

bitsage 2y ago

It will probably be kinder to him than to the neoliberals who thought that giving trillions to an authoritarian regime would somehow make them a liberal democracy.

bloomingeek 2y ago
Do tell! Give sources.