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[Recycled comment from another submission] Very suspicious. (Dare I say "Concerning"? :p) From another source with a bit more context for those numbers: > Tes

by Terr_ 2y ago

[Recycled comment from another submission] Very suspicious. (Dare I say "Concerning"? :p) From another source with a bit more context for those numbers: > Tesla’s Canadian stores are company-owned and directly controlled by the company. [...] Four Tesla stores in Canada each sold an average of 30 cars per hour, amounting to 120 cars per hour across all four locations—essentially one car every minute, 24 hours a day… for three straight days. And yes, this includes hours when the stores were closed. > Tesla’s $43.1 million in rebates took up more than half of the cash left allotted for EV subsidies remaining. That meant that by the time some other dealers attempted to get their own subsidies, the money had run out. [...] 226 [non-Tesla] dealerships submitted rebate claims for 2,295 electric vehicles but still haven’t been reimbursed, leaving them collectively out by C$10 million. -- https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-accused-of-gaming-ca https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-accused-of-gaming-ca...

somerandomqaguy 2y ago
We'll have to see. There's ways to pull this off while still operating within the letter of the law. And if they did so, then there's little that can be down to get it back. Worst would happen short of federal tariffs on Tesla products is that if the iZEV resumes, they're taken off the list of illegible vehicles.
- oglop 2y ago
  Oh I thought the worst would be the brand gets even worse promotion and goes even more in the tank in the public’s eye. Somehow.
iJohnDoe 2y ago
Did they just funnel and move cars through the Canada based dealerships that were for sales in other parts of the world? Does Tesla normally sell that many cars in three days?
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Even then it would likely still be some variety of fraud, since the rebates are limited in scope to "Canadian individuals and businesses", and the business-limit is 10 no matter how many separate ones on paper an owner tries to craft. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-overview https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    This is not fraud. Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not thst hard to do. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do. This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      > > > Did they just funnel and move cars through the Canada based dealerships that were for sales in other parts of the world? > > Even then it would likely still be some variety of fraud > This is not fraud. The scenario they brought up of misrepresenting non-Canadian buyers as Canadians in order to take rebates from the Canadian government would absolutely be fraud. As for your "online orders" thing, I've replied in another thread.
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        >The scenario they brought up of misrepresenting non-Canadian buyers as Canadians in order to take rebates from the Canadian government would absolutely be fraud. Glad this delusional invented scenario is not what happened.
anonfordays 2y ago
Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not impossible. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do. This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is absolutely the slam-dunk I think it is here. >First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Yes, happens when the government announces they're going to take $5,000 away in a few days. >Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Wrong: Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas-izev-rebate-claims-in-2024-chevy-equinox-ev-outpaces-model-3/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas... Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate-program-doubling-nearest-competitor/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate... The frenzy was due to the government ending the rebate program. >Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. You missed it, they made another announcement that it was ending within days. That caused a frenzy. >This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys. Once the end of the program was announced, the buying commenced.

by Terr_ 2y ago

somerandomqaguy 2y ago

We'll have to see. There's ways to pull this off while still operating within the letter of the law. And if they did so, then there's little that can be down to get it back. Worst would happen short of federal tariffs on Tesla products is that if the iZEV resumes, they're taken off the list of illegible vehicles.

oglop 2y ago
Oh I thought the worst would be the brand gets even worse promotion and goes even more in the tank in the public’s eye. Somehow.

iJohnDoe 2y ago

Did they just funnel and move cars through the Canada based dealerships that were for sales in other parts of the world? Does Tesla normally sell that many cars in three days?

Terr_ 2y ago
Even then it would likely still be some variety of fraud, since the rebates are limited in scope to "Canadian individuals and businesses", and the business-limit is 10 no matter how many separate ones on paper an owner tries to craft. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-technologies/zero-emission-vehicles/incentives-zero-emission-vehicles/program-overview https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...
- anonfordays 2y ago
  This is not fraud. Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not thst hard to do. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do. This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    > > > Did they just funnel and move cars through the Canada based dealerships that were for sales in other parts of the world? > > Even then it would likely still be some variety of fraud > This is not fraud. The scenario they brought up of misrepresenting non-Canadian buyers as Canadians in order to take rebates from the Canadian government would absolutely be fraud. As for your "online orders" thing, I've replied in another thread.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      >The scenario they brought up of misrepresenting non-Canadian buyers as Canadians in order to take rebates from the Canadian government would absolutely be fraud. Glad this delusional invented scenario is not what happened.

anonfordays 2y ago

Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not impossible. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do. This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.

Terr_ 2y ago
Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here. Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is absolutely the slam-dunk I think it is here. >First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024. Yes, happens when the government announces they're going to take $5,000 away in a few days. >Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated. Wrong: Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas-izev-rebate-claims-in-2024-chevy-equinox-ev-outpaces-model-3/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas... Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate-program-doubling-nearest-competitor/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate... The frenzy was due to the government ending the rebate program. >Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. You missed it, they made another announcement that it was ending within days. That caused a frenzy. >This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys. Once the end of the program was announced, the buying commenced.