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I'd like to suggest another reason for large military expenditures that have nothing to do with corruption. The US has the only two-ocean navy, and a very exten

by mshron 14y ago

I'd like to suggest another reason for large military expenditures that have nothing to do with corruption. The US has the only two-ocean navy, and a very extensive one at that. A lot of the burden of protecting shipping lanes for members of the "global system" is covered by the States. That's really, really expensive. Of course, that means that countries that don't want to play by US rules (North Korea, Iran, Cuba) get shafted, but it's still a better explanation of the crazy military costs than either fear or corruption.

chimi 14y ago
For the record, there are other multi-ocean navies: russia, south africa, australia, canada, and argentina among them. I think that's a pretty small factor compared to the influence of the military industrial complex. The size of the US navy dwarfs every other country considerably, even when factoring in oceanic boundaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_warships_in_service_worldwide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_warships_in_service_w... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_bordering_on_two_or_more_oceans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_bordering_on_...
- afterburner 14y ago
  The US has about half the world's aircraft carriers. Each aircraft carrier basically needs a battle group to protect it. The approach is indicative of the US's strategy: be able to have a few aircraft carriers anywhere important in the world, ready to quickly react to a crisis without sacrificing protection elsewhere. Since no other nation with aircraft carriers has more than 2 (and most have only one), that basically guarantees significant air and naval power anywhere.
- greedo 14y ago
  The parent post doesn't mean the same thing you mean. The USN patrols every major seaway in the world; I sure don't see South Africa doing the same, nor Canada, Australia, The Russian Federation, and definitely not Argentina.
  - chimi 14y ago
    If the gp meant that, then the US would have a 4 ocean navy. I'm not arguing the size is the biggest, I'm arguing that the reason it is the biggest is not due to coastlines on two oceans.
    - greedo 14y ago
      And the US does have a multi-ocean Navy, divided up into 6 fleets that are assigned to certain oceans/seas. And its size is clearly due to the role it's been assigned by the US government. In fact, reasonable arguments can be made that the USN is too small for what it's been tasked with.
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by mshron 14y ago

chimi 14y ago

For the record, there are other multi-ocean navies: russia, south africa, australia, canada, and argentina among them. I think that's a pretty small factor compared to the influence of the military industrial complex. The size of the US navy dwarfs every other country considerably, even when factoring in oceanic boundaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_warships_in_service_worldwide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_warships_in_service_w... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_bordering_on_two_or_more_oceans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_bordering_on_...

afterburner 14y ago
The US has about half the world's aircraft carriers. Each aircraft carrier basically needs a battle group to protect it. The approach is indicative of the US's strategy: be able to have a few aircraft carriers anywhere important in the world, ready to quickly react to a crisis without sacrificing protection elsewhere. Since no other nation with aircraft carriers has more than 2 (and most have only one), that basically guarantees significant air and naval power anywhere.
greedo 14y ago
The parent post doesn't mean the same thing you mean. The USN patrols every major seaway in the world; I sure don't see South Africa doing the same, nor Canada, Australia, The Russian Federation, and definitely not Argentina.
- chimi 14y ago
  If the gp meant that, then the US would have a 4 ocean navy. I'm not arguing the size is the biggest, I'm arguing that the reason it is the biggest is not due to coastlines on two oceans.
  - greedo 14y ago
    And the US does have a multi-ocean Navy, divided up into 6 fleets that are assigned to certain oceans/seas. And its size is clearly due to the role it's been assigned by the US government. In fact, reasonable arguments can be made that the USN is too small for what it's been tasked with.

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