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Hard drives and DRM-free videos are a thing.

by shmerl 2y ago

kulahan 2y ago
So is video streaming, which is just as unrelated to the topic at hand.
- shmerl 2y ago
  Nope, not comparable. Streaming isn't a replacement for stored DVDs. Hard drives are.
  - kulahan 2y ago
    Neither are hard drives. You cannot legally copy them. You’ve missed the point of the article. This comment you made was unrelated to the topic being discussed, which was about the issue of discs rotting and the fallout from that. This matters because discs are not a physical product so much as a representative of a license you own. If the license doesn’t expire, the format shouldn’t matter at all. So again, your comment was way off topic because this has nothing to do with the idea of superior storage techniques, but fallout from licensing-based approaches.
    - shmerl 2y ago
      Who said you can't legally copy them? Let the stuck up DRM control freaks sell video DRM-free, then you would legally copy it. Otherwise everyone will copy it ignoring their DRM anyway. Disk is a physical copy. Those who think it's a "representation of the license" are just luddites who cause harm to preservation of art.
      - kulahan 2y ago
        The law says you can’t. You have a license for one copy of the movie, to be played via whatever medium you bought it on. You absolutely cannot legally copy it. If your solution is “just break the law”, there are an enormous number of problems you could get past.
        shmerl 2y ago
        The law that's nonsense can say anything it wants, no one will follow it anyway - i.e. it's self defeating. DMCA 1201 shouldn't exist too for the reference. Its proponents are all corrupt crooks. I already mentioned the solution above - start selling video DRM free. Repealing junk laws like DMCA 1201 is just a bonus to that.
        kulahan 2y ago
        Again, you’re not really figuring anything out if the only way around a problem in your eyes is “just break the law”. No duh - that works for 90% of problems. And if the other half is throwing up your hands and hoping the companies with a vested interest and legitimate use cases will randomly stop, I have bad news about the likelihood of that succeeding.
        shmerl 2y ago
        Of course DRM proponents will never stop this garbage themselves. But people don't need to oblige these crooks and their corrupt laws. As above, nonsense laws are self defeating either way and proponents of 1984 style thought police can move along.

Hard drives and DRM-free videos are a thing.

by shmerl 2y ago

Hard drives and DRM-free videos are a thing.

kulahan 2y ago

So is video streaming, which is just as unrelated to the topic at hand.

shmerl 2y ago
Nope, not comparable. Streaming isn't a replacement for stored DVDs. Hard drives are.
- kulahan 2y ago
  Neither are hard drives. You cannot legally copy them. You’ve missed the point of the article. This comment you made was unrelated to the topic being discussed, which was about the issue of discs rotting and the fallout from that. This matters because discs are not a physical product so much as a representative of a license you own. If the license doesn’t expire, the format shouldn’t matter at all. So again, your comment was way off topic because this has nothing to do with the idea of superior storage techniques, but fallout from licensing-based approaches.
  - shmerl 2y ago
    Who said you can't legally copy them? Let the stuck up DRM control freaks sell video DRM-free, then you would legally copy it. Otherwise everyone will copy it ignoring their DRM anyway. Disk is a physical copy. Those who think it's a "representation of the license" are just luddites who cause harm to preservation of art.
    - kulahan 2y ago
      The law says you can’t. You have a license for one copy of the movie, to be played via whatever medium you bought it on. You absolutely cannot legally copy it. If your solution is “just break the law”, there are an enormous number of problems you could get past.
      - shmerl 2y ago
        The law that's nonsense can say anything it wants, no one will follow it anyway - i.e. it's self defeating. DMCA 1201 shouldn't exist too for the reference. Its proponents are all corrupt crooks. I already mentioned the solution above - start selling video DRM free. Repealing junk laws like DMCA 1201 is just a bonus to that.
        kulahan 2y ago
        Again, you’re not really figuring anything out if the only way around a problem in your eyes is “just break the law”. No duh - that works for 90% of problems. And if the other half is throwing up your hands and hoping the companies with a vested interest and legitimate use cases will randomly stop, I have bad news about the likelihood of that succeeding.
        shmerl 2y ago
        Of course DRM proponents will never stop this garbage themselves. But people don't need to oblige these crooks and their corrupt laws. As above, nonsense laws are self defeating either way and proponents of 1984 style thought police can move along.