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> the war mongers Ah, I thought it was Russia who betrayed Ukraine, per your words yeah? But of course, my reading comprehension isn't that bad. You are genui

> the war mongers Ah, I thought it was Russia who betrayed Ukraine, per your words yeah? But of course, my reading comprehension isn't that bad. You are genuinely trying to argue that the people decrying this betrayal are war mongers, intent on extending this war; never mind who actually instigated the war, there is no reason to call them war mongers. You don't help your argument when you call your opponents names, especially without any merit.

ty6853 2y ago
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- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  It's amazing watching how disingenuous you are as the argument progresses and your true position shows.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    I don't think you understand. This isn't an argument, it's been settled and the aid withdrawn. I'm providing the explanation for all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. Y'all have called me everything imaginable and made up horrible stories about the fate of my family, all the while weeping that people willfully fueling the enslavement of conscripts into cannon fodder would be called war mongers. That's how I know the shut down of the war mongers is actually working. The more you degrade me, the more it displays the success of the strategy. I revel in it.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      I didn't do anything, you degrade and expose yourself. Meanwhile unlike the grievance in your head actual innocent Ukrainians died today and you revel in it. Russian used cluster bombs on civilians by the way. And Ukraine couldn't prepare because the US denied them access to intel on what areas strikes would hit. But keep whining about 'internet grievances' and how much pleasure you take at the current outcome because the internet was mean. Those you call 'warmonger' never took the joy that you now claim to have.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        Innocent Ukrainians died everyday for years, far before zelensky's funds terminating TV stunt. I'm taking joy that defunding the war will help push zelensky to end this madness to stop the deaths, im taking joy at the lives that will be saved. We've already seen what the blood money bought, and America is finally sending some sense to Ukraine in a language they understand.
        prmph 2y ago
        But I don't understand your point. Since Russia started the war, how does it depend on Zelensky "to end this madness"? You'd prefer the Ukrainians roll over and get massacred and genocided? Is black white, and white black, now? Please explain
        ty6853 2y ago
        No, I'd prefer they sign a cease fire, which is what Trump was trying to get Zelensky to do until Zelensky decided he doesn't need us anymore. The angry teenager has left the house with $5 and will be back when he smokes it all up and gets hungry. The fact is peace is a negotiation, and Ukraine will have to give up things. It will leave a bad taste in Zelensky's mouth and he will probably look like, for lack of a better word, a bitch, but unfortunately that's what's needed. They're going to have to call uncle on some territory they won't get back anyway, otherwise they have nothing on the table. His legacy will be to tarnish his image to save his countrymen, a tough spot no doubt.
        prmph 2y ago
        Why don't you put the blame where it belongs, and tell Putin to go back to his country? Per Occam's razor that should be the simplest solution, no? Otherwise, should Europe keep giving up territory whenever the Russians roll in?
        ty6853 2y ago
        Putin is a bad boy, he should go home! Happy? Occam's razor is not a law. We live in reality. 'Europe' still doesn't have kaliningrad back. Justice is a tool, not a suicide pact.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Here is your success. Putin is unwilling to have a cease fire. To get this you willingly sacrificed how many Ukrainians, and risked how many others by withholding intelligence information (that cost us all of $0 to share about Russian launched attacks and what areas they could be targeting)? Also, you talk in other posts about assisting in Syria so you obviously have zero actual care about ending violence in long running conflicts and in fact put in great effort/extreme steps towards their continuation. https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 Russian leader Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on 6 March. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-6-2025 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Your strategy in stats: Since your strategy went into effect Russia launched 870 attack drones, 80 missiles of different types and 1200 guided bombs.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        And your strategy of fueling the stalemate would have this go on indefinitely, war monger.

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_DeadFred_ 2y ago
It's amazing watching how disingenuous you are as the argument progresses and your true position shows.
- ty6853 2y ago
  I don't think you understand. This isn't an argument, it's been settled and the aid withdrawn. I'm providing the explanation for all the weeping and gnashing of teeth. Y'all have called me everything imaginable and made up horrible stories about the fate of my family, all the while weeping that people willfully fueling the enslavement of conscripts into cannon fodder would be called war mongers. That's how I know the shut down of the war mongers is actually working. The more you degrade me, the more it displays the success of the strategy. I revel in it.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    I didn't do anything, you degrade and expose yourself. Meanwhile unlike the grievance in your head actual innocent Ukrainians died today and you revel in it. Russian used cluster bombs on civilians by the way. And Ukraine couldn't prepare because the US denied them access to intel on what areas strikes would hit. But keep whining about 'internet grievances' and how much pleasure you take at the current outcome because the internet was mean. Those you call 'warmonger' never took the joy that you now claim to have.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Innocent Ukrainians died everyday for years, far before zelensky's funds terminating TV stunt. I'm taking joy that defunding the war will help push zelensky to end this madness to stop the deaths, im taking joy at the lives that will be saved. We've already seen what the blood money bought, and America is finally sending some sense to Ukraine in a language they understand.
      - prmph 2y ago
        But I don't understand your point. Since Russia started the war, how does it depend on Zelensky "to end this madness"? You'd prefer the Ukrainians roll over and get massacred and genocided? Is black white, and white black, now? Please explain
        ty6853 2y ago
        No, I'd prefer they sign a cease fire, which is what Trump was trying to get Zelensky to do until Zelensky decided he doesn't need us anymore. The angry teenager has left the house with $5 and will be back when he smokes it all up and gets hungry. The fact is peace is a negotiation, and Ukraine will have to give up things. It will leave a bad taste in Zelensky's mouth and he will probably look like, for lack of a better word, a bitch, but unfortunately that's what's needed. They're going to have to call uncle on some territory they won't get back anyway, otherwise they have nothing on the table. His legacy will be to tarnish his image to save his countrymen, a tough spot no doubt.
        prmph 2y ago
        Why don't you put the blame where it belongs, and tell Putin to go back to his country? Per Occam's razor that should be the simplest solution, no? Otherwise, should Europe keep giving up territory whenever the Russians roll in?
        ty6853 2y ago
        Putin is a bad boy, he should go home! Happy? Occam's razor is not a law. We live in reality. 'Europe' still doesn't have kaliningrad back. Justice is a tool, not a suicide pact.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Here is your success. Putin is unwilling to have a cease fire. To get this you willingly sacrificed how many Ukrainians, and risked how many others by withholding intelligence information (that cost us all of $0 to share about Russian launched attacks and what areas they could be targeting)? Also, you talk in other posts about assisting in Syria so you obviously have zero actual care about ending violence in long running conflicts and in fact put in great effort/extreme steps towards their continuation. https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 https://tass.ru/politika/23325211 Russian leader Vladimir Putin and other Kremlin officials explicitly rejected making any concessions in future peace negotiations or accepting any US, European, or Ukrainian peace proposals and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs rejected the possibility of a negotiated ceasefire on 6 March. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-6-2025 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Your strategy in stats: Since your strategy went into effect Russia launched 870 attack drones, 80 missiles of different types and 1200 guided bombs.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      And your strategy of fueling the stalemate would have this go on indefinitely, war monger.