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it would be less terrible if there were some simple, Apple ID-like way to simply get redirected to a govt website, put in your driver's license, and the website

it would be less terrible if there were some simple, Apple ID-like way to simply get redirected to a govt website, put in your driver's license, and the website only gets a token back that says "yes over age/no underage". The data already exists, it's what bars use to scan IDs with handheld readers IIRC.

dinkblam 2y ago
i wasn't really talking about about any "verification". just a way for parents to disable what they want their kid to be able to browse. if parents don't care to change the setting, their kids would be free to browse anything.
baby_souffle 2y ago
> The data already exists, it's what bars use to scan IDs with handheld readers IIRC. Sorta, yeah. But the reason that works is because there's a human guarding the door that can assert that the hand presenting the ID is attached to a face that looks just like the one on the ID. Otherwise a very smart 17 year old would just get their hands on the UUID or whatever for literally any ID that belongs to somebody that's 18+. Within _hours_ of this type of system going into effect, you'd have the age/id version of bugmenot.com
- burnished 2y ago
  You're implying smart 17 year olds don't make it into bars. You rarely need anything approaching %100 compliance in order to have an effective policy, so if anything you're advocating for its effectiveness when you suggest the only people that would be in violation are the rare precocious kid.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    But that's the difference. For a 17 year old to get into a bar, they need to, themselves, acquire a fake ID. Anyone selling that physical object in your jurisdiction would then be subject to arrest. On the internet, one smart 17 year old sets up im-old.lol and then every kid everywhere has a one-click age verification bypass and the service is run by an anon on a server outside the jurisdiction.
  - baby_souffle 2y ago
    > You're implying smart 17 year olds don't make it into bars. Sarcastically, yes :). It's a reference to the "you must be over 18/21 to enter this porn/alcohol site" banners. Even a "smart" 17 year old will figure the banner out.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  As far as I’ve done, I’ve had to upload drivers licenses to websites before (e.g. to open an online banking account or whatever) and I don’t recall doing anything other than uploading the license.
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monksy 2y ago
That barcode contains a lot more than just your birthday. It contains all of the info on the license front (which includes your drivers license). It's a bit absurd that the bar is copying down your details in order to get into their bar. (They often store it and can/will use it for bar bans)
mrweasel 2y ago
Countries like Denmark already have this. It's called MitID, and it a online government run sign in solutions used by banks, government institutions, online marketplace as so on. I believe it already contains an age "claim", so you can get just the age of the person logging in and nothing else. It's built on OAuth/OAuth2 I think, so it should be fairly simple to add the age information if it's not already there.
HWR_14 2y ago
The biggest selling point of those handheld readers bars use is to gather data from your ID, not to in any way verify your age. It's the exact opposite of what you said.
butlike 2y ago
"I'm 65 years old, and the age verification is failing" Operator: "let me take a look sir. It's probably a bug. It's definitely not the censorship metrics opaquely changing behind the scenes, sir."

dinkblam 2y ago

i wasn't really talking about about any "verification". just a way for parents to disable what they want their kid to be able to browse. if parents don't care to change the setting, their kids would be free to browse anything.

baby_souffle 2y ago

> The data already exists, it's what bars use to scan IDs with handheld readers IIRC. Sorta, yeah. But the reason that works is because there's a human guarding the door that can assert that the hand presenting the ID is attached to a face that looks just like the one on the ID. Otherwise a very smart 17 year old would just get their hands on the UUID or whatever for literally any ID that belongs to somebody that's 18+. Within _hours_ of this type of system going into effect, you'd have the age/id version of bugmenot.com

burnished 2y ago
You're implying smart 17 year olds don't make it into bars. You rarely need anything approaching %100 compliance in order to have an effective policy, so if anything you're advocating for its effectiveness when you suggest the only people that would be in violation are the rare precocious kid.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  But that's the difference. For a 17 year old to get into a bar, they need to, themselves, acquire a fake ID. Anyone selling that physical object in your jurisdiction would then be subject to arrest. On the internet, one smart 17 year old sets up im-old.lol and then every kid everywhere has a one-click age verification bypass and the service is run by an anon on a server outside the jurisdiction.
- baby_souffle 2y ago
  > You're implying smart 17 year olds don't make it into bars. Sarcastically, yes :). It's a reference to the "you must be over 18/21 to enter this porn/alcohol site" banners. Even a "smart" 17 year old will figure the banner out.
bobthepanda 2y ago
As far as I’ve done, I’ve had to upload drivers licenses to websites before (e.g. to open an online banking account or whatever) and I don’t recall doing anything other than uploading the license.
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monksy 2y ago

That barcode contains a lot more than just your birthday. It contains all of the info on the license front (which includes your drivers license). It's a bit absurd that the bar is copying down your details in order to get into their bar. (They often store it and can/will use it for bar bans)

mrweasel 2y ago

Countries like Denmark already have this. It's called MitID, and it a online government run sign in solutions used by banks, government institutions, online marketplace as so on. I believe it already contains an age "claim", so you can get just the age of the person logging in and nothing else. It's built on OAuth/OAuth2 I think, so it should be fairly simple to add the age information if it's not already there.

HWR_14 2y ago

The biggest selling point of those handheld readers bars use is to gather data from your ID, not to in any way verify your age. It's the exact opposite of what you said.

butlike 2y ago

"I'm 65 years old, and the age verification is failing" Operator: "let me take a look sir. It's probably a bug. It's definitely not the censorship metrics opaquely changing behind the scenes, sir."