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I still have my 2013 11.6” i7 and once I replace the battery and hinges (threw it across bed while open too many times) it’ll be good for another 10 years. The

I still have my 2013 11.6” i7 and once I replace the battery and hinges (threw it across bed while open too many times) it’ll be good for another 10 years. The original “MacBook” 12” retina could have been wonderful aside from the extremely poor performance, keyboard, and single USB, and battery life. Most of which Apple Silicon/lack of Jony Ive would fix. I don’t know why, but for me about 1kg feels negligible for a laptop I carry constantly, where 1.5kg feels heavy.

madcaptenor 2y ago
You get used to a certain weight and then a larger weight feels much larger. I remember having a 12-pound cat and thinking it was very comfortable to hold her (in my lap, not walking around). Then I had a 9-pound baby and held her a lot, and suddenly a 12-pound cat felt very heavy. (The cat lost a bunch of weight and died, and that 9-pound baby is 50-something pounds now.)
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  These days I’m used to a 16” MacBook. Once or twice I’ve picked up a MacBook Air and thought it a featherweight.
- vrosas 2y ago
  My last company _refused_ to buy me an air (what I use personally) and instead insisted on sending me their "standard" specced out 16" MBP and I _hate_ it. Flying with that thing to the offsite felt like I was smuggling a cinderblock through security.
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    Absolutely the same problem here. The 16" is portable, but it is not a laptop made for travel. It's to big and to heavy. You can't use it on a plane, you can't even really use it as a laptop, it needs to be supported by a table. Traveling with that thing in my backpack is a nightmare.
rock_artist 2y ago
The MacBook 12" with an M1 or M4 would've been amazing by today. Still lovely form factor.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  Isn't that basically the new Air, minus the ports?
  - tosh 2y ago
    the current macbook air is 1240 gram the 12" macbook was 920 gram
  - macNchz 2y ago
    They're very similar, but handling both together my old 2016 12" is just slightly smaller and lighter in a way that is really appealing compared to my 2020 13" M1 Air. It's 350g lighter, which makes more of a difference than I would have guessed when throwing it in a bag.
scarface_74 2y ago
> The original “MacBook” 12” retina could have been wonderful aside from the extremely poor performance, keyboard, and single USB, and battery life “Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” > I still have my 2013 11.6” i7 and once I replace the battery and hinges (threw it across bed while open too many times) it’ll be good for another 10 years. I doubt you would feel the same way if you had a M series MacBook Air.
- happymellon 2y ago
  While I don't have a 2013 Mac anymore, I do have both an M3 MacBook Pro, and a Ryzen 5 Lenovo for development work with different clients and I really don't find the Mac that much faster in day to day usage. Sure in benchmarks it gets bigger numbers, but in normal usage it's negligible. That's probably more due to MacOS getting less efficient than anything else though.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    It’s not about raw speed. If you want raw speed, you will be better off getting an x86 desktop or laptop. Except of course where the unified memory/GPU comes into play where an M1 Mac will win. The benefit of the Mx Macs are the combination of speed, quietness, battery life and lack of heat.
    - happymellon 2y ago
      > It’s not about raw speed > The benefit of the Mx Macs are the combination of speed Which I've stated is generally not that obvious to me. My compiling, and running of tests isn't massively different between machines. > quietness... and lack of heat. I can't think of a laptop I've had except the 2019 MacBook Pros that were so noisy and unnecessarily hot. It is a marked improvement over that, but that was a particularly low point in laptops. > battery life I'm sure it's really important for some folks to get more than 8 hours battery, and there's always someone here talking up their productive 15 hours flights, but I honestly don't get that much advantage from it, or have met someone who has. Definitely not enough to warrant more than £200 over the Thinkpad.
goosedragons 2y ago
There's similar weighing laptops out there. The LG Gram line for example, some of the ThinkPad X series.

madcaptenor 2y ago

You get used to a certain weight and then a larger weight feels much larger. I remember having a 12-pound cat and thinking it was very comfortable to hold her (in my lap, not walking around). Then I had a 9-pound baby and held her a lot, and suddenly a 12-pound cat felt very heavy. (The cat lost a bunch of weight and died, and that 9-pound baby is 50-something pounds now.)

gjsman-1000 2y ago
These days I’m used to a 16” MacBook. Once or twice I’ve picked up a MacBook Air and thought it a featherweight.
vrosas 2y ago
My last company _refused_ to buy me an air (what I use personally) and instead insisted on sending me their "standard" specced out 16" MBP and I _hate_ it. Flying with that thing to the offsite felt like I was smuggling a cinderblock through security.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  Absolutely the same problem here. The 16" is portable, but it is not a laptop made for travel. It's to big and to heavy. You can't use it on a plane, you can't even really use it as a laptop, it needs to be supported by a table. Traveling with that thing in my backpack is a nightmare.

rock_artist 2y ago

The MacBook 12" with an M1 or M4 would've been amazing by today. Still lovely form factor.

mrweasel 2y ago
Isn't that basically the new Air, minus the ports?
- tosh 2y ago
  the current macbook air is 1240 gram the 12" macbook was 920 gram
- macNchz 2y ago
  They're very similar, but handling both together my old 2016 12" is just slightly smaller and lighter in a way that is really appealing compared to my 2020 13" M1 Air. It's 350g lighter, which makes more of a difference than I would have guessed when throwing it in a bag.

scarface_74 2y ago

> The original “MacBook” 12” retina could have been wonderful aside from the extremely poor performance, keyboard, and single USB, and battery life “Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” > I still have my 2013 11.6” i7 and once I replace the battery and hinges (threw it across bed while open too many times) it’ll be good for another 10 years. I doubt you would feel the same way if you had a M series MacBook Air.

happymellon 2y ago
While I don't have a 2013 Mac anymore, I do have both an M3 MacBook Pro, and a Ryzen 5 Lenovo for development work with different clients and I really don't find the Mac that much faster in day to day usage. Sure in benchmarks it gets bigger numbers, but in normal usage it's negligible. That's probably more due to MacOS getting less efficient than anything else though.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  It’s not about raw speed. If you want raw speed, you will be better off getting an x86 desktop or laptop. Except of course where the unified memory/GPU comes into play where an M1 Mac will win. The benefit of the Mx Macs are the combination of speed, quietness, battery life and lack of heat.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    > It’s not about raw speed > The benefit of the Mx Macs are the combination of speed Which I've stated is generally not that obvious to me. My compiling, and running of tests isn't massively different between machines. > quietness... and lack of heat. I can't think of a laptop I've had except the 2019 MacBook Pros that were so noisy and unnecessarily hot. It is a marked improvement over that, but that was a particularly low point in laptops. > battery life I'm sure it's really important for some folks to get more than 8 hours battery, and there's always someone here talking up their productive 15 hours flights, but I honestly don't get that much advantage from it, or have met someone who has. Definitely not enough to warrant more than £200 over the Thinkpad.

goosedragons 2y ago

There's similar weighing laptops out there. The LG Gram line for example, some of the ThinkPad X series.