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Apple has 90 days to allow app sideloading in Brazil

89 points by soapdog 2y ago

ChrisArchitect 2y ago
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Chyzwar 2y ago
As US continues to give up its dominant position, we will more countries playing hard ball with US corporations.
- mvdtnz 2y ago
  This goes back to a complaint in 2022 and as mentioned in the very first sentence of the article similar rulings have already taken effect in several countries. Not everything is about Trump.
  - jjulius 2y ago
    I'm not taking a position on whether or not this is about Trump, but three years ago is recent enough to argue that we were already in the process of losing our dominant position.
    - Frederation 2y ago
      Occum's razor...
    - Chyzwar 2y ago
      There is an incredible amount of soft power applied in global politics and business. This why for example Google CEO have face to face meeting with prime ministers and this reported in news.
  - Chyzwar 2y ago
    Some ruling can be blocked for years in “legal proceeding” for example Uber with plenty evidence was ignored while in the same time European Glove was fighting crinal prosecution. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak-reveals-global-lobbying-campaign https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak... https://braveneweurope.com/spain-pioneering-criminal-complaint-for-fake-self-employment-could-lead-to-jail-time-for-glovo-bosses https://braveneweurope.com/spain-pioneering-criminal-complai...
- Frederation 2y ago
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- yellowapple 2y ago
  As they indeed should, and should've been doing for decades now.
wkat4242 2y ago
Cool, they already have the infra built for the EU so it's just a matter of switching it on. 90 days is reasonable IMO.
- ycombinatrix 2y ago
  That's an alternative market, not sideloading.
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    Side loading already exists. You can do it yourself in any country right now, it’s just restricted to packages you signed yourself, and they have to be resigned every few days. Implementing this should just be turning off those two restrictions.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Those restrictions are pretty horrible though. Especially the every few days thing. They're not useful for practical use. I used to have iOS and I was even a developer but I left when jailbreaking became more and more difficult. But with the EU thing apple also introduced a tax on app publishers, even FOSS ones. I imagine they'll want to do the same in Brazil.
      - Gigachad 2y ago
        What I’m saying is that this isn’t some huge engineering effort required in 90 days, the core functionality already exists but with artificial limitations. Complying with the law would just be removing the limits rather than having to build something.
        wkat4242 2y ago
        Ah but that was my original point as well. Though the developer functionality is not something really similar to what they need to offer here. It's more similar to what they do in the EU. You can't expect every user to mess around with xcode to sign their sideloaded apps. Many won't even have a mac.
pipeline_peak 2y ago
Why is the title worded like some sort of ultimatum? It’s Brazil, how many of their smartphone users even use iPhone, 20%?
- nhinck3 2y ago
  Because that's what court orders are?
- piva00 2y ago
  Around 10% within around 150 million smartphones, 15 million iPhones gone unsold is not insignificant. That's some US$ 15-20 billion.
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throwawaynewnew 2y ago
Is it sideloading ("installing" whatever you want) or is it alternative stores? The title says sideloading but the article says alternative stores. Even in the EU, they still require notarization on all apps, so in effect everything still has to go through their approval. Sideloading would include apps that Apple would never allow like apps that violate ToS of other services (youtube vanced, grayjay, stuff of that nature).
- grg0 2y ago
  Yup, it's not sideloading. Actual sideloading would be too much freedom for an iphone ecosystem.
  - DownrightNifty 2y ago
    Do you have a source for that?
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    - grg0 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading
      - DownrightNifty 2y ago
        Sorry, I should've clarified that I was asking about whether you had a source for the claim that this legislation will not allow sideloading. I agree regarding the definition!
        grg0 2y ago
        I just read the article, which like OP says, talks about third-party app stores and not sideloading. If it's anything like EU regulation, then that'll be that.
singularity2001 2y ago
What is the status of EU sideloading btw?
DownrightNifty 2y ago
I added it to the tracker: https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/#which-countries-are-legislating-sideloading https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/#which-countries-are-l... Fingers crossed this enables true sideloading and not just third party app stores!

89 points by soapdog 2y ago

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

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Chyzwar 2y ago

As US continues to give up its dominant position, we will more countries playing hard ball with US corporations.

mvdtnz 2y ago
This goes back to a complaint in 2022 and as mentioned in the very first sentence of the article similar rulings have already taken effect in several countries. Not everything is about Trump.
- jjulius 2y ago
  I'm not taking a position on whether or not this is about Trump, but three years ago is recent enough to argue that we were already in the process of losing our dominant position.
  - Frederation 2y ago
    Occum's razor...
  - Chyzwar 2y ago
    There is an incredible amount of soft power applied in global politics and business. This why for example Google CEO have face to face meeting with prime ministers and this reported in news.
- Chyzwar 2y ago
  Some ruling can be blocked for years in “legal proceeding” for example Uber with plenty evidence was ignored while in the same time European Glove was fighting crinal prosecution. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak-reveals-global-lobbying-campaign https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-files-leak... https://braveneweurope.com/spain-pioneering-criminal-complaint-for-fake-self-employment-could-lead-to-jail-time-for-glovo-bosses https://braveneweurope.com/spain-pioneering-criminal-complai...
Frederation 2y ago
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yellowapple 2y ago
As they indeed should, and should've been doing for decades now.

wkat4242 2y ago

Cool, they already have the infra built for the EU so it's just a matter of switching it on. 90 days is reasonable IMO.

ycombinatrix 2y ago
That's an alternative market, not sideloading.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  Side loading already exists. You can do it yourself in any country right now, it’s just restricted to packages you signed yourself, and they have to be resigned every few days. Implementing this should just be turning off those two restrictions.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Those restrictions are pretty horrible though. Especially the every few days thing. They're not useful for practical use. I used to have iOS and I was even a developer but I left when jailbreaking became more and more difficult. But with the EU thing apple also introduced a tax on app publishers, even FOSS ones. I imagine they'll want to do the same in Brazil.
    - Gigachad 2y ago
      What I’m saying is that this isn’t some huge engineering effort required in 90 days, the core functionality already exists but with artificial limitations. Complying with the law would just be removing the limits rather than having to build something.
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        Ah but that was my original point as well. Though the developer functionality is not something really similar to what they need to offer here. It's more similar to what they do in the EU. You can't expect every user to mess around with xcode to sign their sideloaded apps. Many won't even have a mac.

pipeline_peak 2y ago

Why is the title worded like some sort of ultimatum? It’s Brazil, how many of their smartphone users even use iPhone, 20%?

nhinck3 2y ago
Because that's what court orders are?
piva00 2y ago
Around 10% within around 150 million smartphones, 15 million iPhones gone unsold is not insignificant. That's some US$ 15-20 billion.

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throwawaynewnew 2y ago

Is it sideloading ("installing" whatever you want) or is it alternative stores? The title says sideloading but the article says alternative stores. Even in the EU, they still require notarization on all apps, so in effect everything still has to go through their approval. Sideloading would include apps that Apple would never allow like apps that violate ToS of other services (youtube vanced, grayjay, stuff of that nature).

grg0 2y ago
Yup, it's not sideloading. Actual sideloading would be too much freedom for an iphone ecosystem.
- DownrightNifty 2y ago
  Do you have a source for that?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - grg0 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading
    - DownrightNifty 2y ago
      Sorry, I should've clarified that I was asking about whether you had a source for the claim that this legislation will not allow sideloading. I agree regarding the definition!
      - grg0 2y ago
        I just read the article, which like OP says, talks about third-party app stores and not sideloading. If it's anything like EU regulation, then that'll be that.

singularity2001 2y ago

What is the status of EU sideloading btw?

DownrightNifty 2y ago

I added it to the tracker: https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/#which-countries-are-legislating-sideloading https://doesioshavesideloadingyet.com/#which-countries-are-l... Fingers crossed this enables true sideloading and not just third party app stores!