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Yes, I'm very nearsighted. I've worn progressive lenses for years but they continue to drive me crazy. I can see fine with them, but my eyes easily get fatigu

by bmurphy1976 2y ago

Yes, I'm very nearsighted. I've worn progressive lenses for years but they continue to drive me crazy. I can see fine with them, but my eyes easily get fatigued and I have to take long breaks to get them to calm down. Over the summer I added a pair of progressive occupational lenses (not reading glasses). They are focused arms length in front of me. This has been a complete game changer. I can now see my monitor crisply, clearly, and easily in a way that I haven't seen it in a decade. When I swap back and forth between my regular lenses and my occupational lenses, the difference is stark. With my regular lenses there's a part of the screen that's about a half dollar coin in size that's clear and in focus. The rest of the screen is every so slightly blurry. I have to move my head to constantly adjust the focal point, or move my eyes and struggle to focus. When I switch to my occupational lenses, the entire screen is clear. I don't have to move my head. I don't have to fight to focus. Where I look, it's crisp. No wonder I was struggling! I was fighting to focus all day long. I suffer from almost no eye fatigue now. If my eyes are tired, it's usually because I'm tired and it's been a long day. The downside is I now have to juggle two pairs of glasses instead of one, but that's oh so totally been worth it. I'm not going back.

jbornhorst 2y ago
Hey, thanks for replying! I’d love to chat briefly. Can you shoot me a quick email at jbornhorst [at] gmail [dot] com so we can coordinate?
theogravity 2y ago
Same, I have occupational lenses that are also focused to arms length, and it has made a huge difference for me as well when using it for reading things on my computer screens. It makes reading small text easier and feels crisp. Using it outside of its intended distance will cause eye strain since your eyes won't be able to focus properly. My provider calls them "computer glasses". It does not have blue light filtering as I do work with implementing web designs and color accuracy does matter to me. I totally recommend computer glasses for anyone who works all day looking at a computer screen. They would be a separate prescription / lens type (as in not progressive I think) compared to daily use glasses. I do have to swap to my daily use when not using my computer glasses outside of sitting and looking at a monitor. Using my daily use for computer monitor reading doesn't feel "right" compared to my computer glasses. There is a clear difference between them.
- bmurphy1976 2y ago
  >Using it outside of its intended distance will cause eye strain since your eyes won't be able to focus properly. Mine are more useful that I anticipated when I'm not using them for work. I would advise against anybody driving with the wrong pair of glasses, but I can see significantly better with my occupational lenses than without. I would not trust them at night, but during the day I can see well enough I am not concerned about my driving. I don't intend to drive with them, but there has been the occasion here or there when I had to run somewhere quickly and forgot to swap my glasses. It also helps that mine are progressives, so the very very top part of the lens is my "regular" prescription. I can use that to focus on something at a distance if necessary. >They would be a separate prescription / lens type (as in not progressive I think) compared to daily use glasses. I do have to swap to my daily use when not using my computer glasses outside of sitting and looking at a monitor. Like I mentioned above, mine are both occupational and progressive. I'd like to try non-progressive occupational lenses to see if I like them better, but I'm not convinced it would be worth the money.
  - cableshaft 2y ago
    Same. I've driven short distances sometimes to pick up lunch or something 5-10 minutes away because I forgot to switch my glasses. It wasn't ideal but perfectly doable. I've only done it a handful of times, though. And also I wouldn't do so at night.
- jbornhorst 2y ago
  Would love to speak with you for 20 mins to learn from your experience. If interested, ping me at jbornhorst [at] gmail [dot] com and I'll coordinate times.
- mdnahas 2y ago
  Me too. My progressive lenses give me eye strain and it is much worse at the computer. I have non-progressive lens for work and they’re much more comfortable. (Especially with my large monitor.)
- cableshaft 2y ago
convolvatron 2y ago
this totally works. I also had a someone add in prism, which really did help fatigue. but for reasons I ended up using the occupational almost all the time, and ended up really screwing with my ability to use perspective to gauge distance. now I'm really poor at judging the sizes of things and I used to be able to tell you at half a meter if it was a 10-32 or a 5mm screw
- walterbell 2y ago
  The brain and visual perception system are incredibly adaptable, even to incorrect prescriptions. Some unwanted adaptions can be reversed by slowly changing any problematic parameters, like (un)training wheels. This would have been inordinately expensive before the era of self-service online glasses.
dinfinity 2y ago
Unsure if this will work for your case, but I am _very_ happy with my implanted contact lenses. They sit behind my iris and optically function as normal contact lenses. No hassle, just a straight up body upgrade. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraocular_lens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraocular_lens I was very surprised that this is not a more common thing to hear about amongst people with bad eyesight. Laser correction sucks in comparison, with more risks of complications, generally worse vision outcomes, longer recovery, etc. The lens implantation process is even undoable and as safe as cataract surgery which has been done since the 1970s.
- bmurphy1976 2y ago
  Honestly, I'm absolutely terrified of doing anything that might damage my eyesight. I know the common procedures (i.e. Lasik) have come a long way in the last two decades and are very low risk, but they are not zero risk. I won't even wear contact lenses, I long ago fully committed to glasses. That type of procedure doesn't fit my risk tolerance.
  - dinfinity 2y ago
    I understand the hesitation, but that's the thing about this: It's even simpler than cataract surgery (where they actually _replace_ your own lenses instead of just flopping one in front of it), which is very very common, and very very safe. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cataract_surgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cataract_surgery IIRC the chance of complications for Lasik is about 10x that of the one for intraocular lens implantation. The nature of the complications for the latter is also more along the lines of "an eye infection for a month" instead of something permanent. I definitely suggest researching it (and not mentally lumping it in with Lasik, because they are quite different). Cheesy, but my only regret is not having done it years sooner.
    - hollerith 2y ago
      >cataract surgery, which is very very common, and very very safe. Ever since my elderly friend had cataract surgery (5 years ago) she finds bright light painful, so she spends less time outdoors.
walterbell 2y ago
> now have to juggle two pairs of glasses instead of one This can be mitigated with custom magnetic clip lenses, e.g. Chemistrie. Tiny magnets are implanted into your current frame. Clip lens changes the focal length of your existing glasses by a fixed offset. Computer or reading clip can be changed in seconds. They also have polarized clips for instant sunglasses on your existing frame, which are better than Transitions/photochromic because they work while driving and are instant on/off.
- bmurphy1976 2y ago
  It's an interesting approach. I used clip on sun glasses for years, but you still have the problem of having to juggle the clips and while they are smaller and easier to carry they are also far more fragile and easier to lose. I'm not sure they would provide any benefit over what I have now but it's good to know there are options!
- jbornhorst 2y ago
  oh these are super interesting - i've never seen magnets in the len's before. thanks for sharing.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    They are mostly sold via opticians who do the changes locally, but there's also an online option, 150 for clip + lens mod + 2-way shipment, additional clips for 75, https://www.buychemistrie.com/product-page/chemistrie-computer-clip https://www.buychemistrie.com/product-page/chemistrie-comput...
KurSix 2y ago
Do you find yourself swapping glasses a lot throughout the day, or do you mostly stick with the occupational ones when working?
- bmurphy1976 2y ago
  I wear my occupational lenses 100% while working at my computer/laptop or doing some up close and small fiddly work (i.e. soldering a circuit board). I wear my regular glasses otherwise, but find myself frequently taking them off to focus on things close to me (i.e. if I want to read something really quick or use my phone for more than a quick glance).
  - KurSix 2y ago
    That makes sense! It sounds like the occupational lenses have made a huge difference for screen work, even if juggling two pairs is a bit of a hassle
onurtag 2y ago
> With my regular lenses there's a part of the screen that's about a half dollar coin in size that's clear and in focus. The rest of the screen is every so slightly blurry. I have two glasses that have lenses with a similar prescription. The older one has some basic lenses and anything outside the center gets gradually less clear towards the edges. The newer one has aspherical lenses and even the areas near the edges are quite clear. It wasn't expensive either. The best lens I have used was probably a zeiss one but I'm guessing the full featured zeiss is probably quite expensive.
- bmurphy1976 2y ago
  Look at the image in this article, it shows very clearly why my occupational lenses work so much better than my standard progressives: https://www.presbyopiaphysician.com/issues/2024/march/the-untapped-potential-of-occupational-lenses https://www.presbyopiaphysician.com/issues/2024/march/the-un...

jbornhorst 2y ago

Hey, thanks for replying! I’d love to chat briefly. Can you shoot me a quick email at jbornhorst [at] gmail [dot] com so we can coordinate?

theogravity 2y ago

Same, I have occupational lenses that are also focused to arms length, and it has made a huge difference for me as well when using it for reading things on my computer screens. It makes reading small text easier and feels crisp. Using it outside of its intended distance will cause eye strain since your eyes won't be able to focus properly. My provider calls them "computer glasses". It does not have blue light filtering as I do work with implementing web designs and color accuracy does matter to me. I totally recommend computer glasses for anyone who works all day looking at a computer screen. They would be a separate prescription / lens type (as in not progressive I think) compared to daily use glasses. I do have to swap to my daily use when not using my computer glasses outside of sitting and looking at a monitor. Using my daily use for computer monitor reading doesn't feel "right" compared to my computer glasses. There is a clear difference between them.

bmurphy1976 2y ago
>Using it outside of its intended distance will cause eye strain since your eyes won't be able to focus properly. Mine are more useful that I anticipated when I'm not using them for work. I would advise against anybody driving with the wrong pair of glasses, but I can see significantly better with my occupational lenses than without. I would not trust them at night, but during the day I can see well enough I am not concerned about my driving. I don't intend to drive with them, but there has been the occasion here or there when I had to run somewhere quickly and forgot to swap my glasses. It also helps that mine are progressives, so the very very top part of the lens is my "regular" prescription. I can use that to focus on something at a distance if necessary. >They would be a separate prescription / lens type (as in not progressive I think) compared to daily use glasses. I do have to swap to my daily use when not using my computer glasses outside of sitting and looking at a monitor. Like I mentioned above, mine are both occupational and progressive. I'd like to try non-progressive occupational lenses to see if I like them better, but I'm not convinced it would be worth the money.
- cableshaft 2y ago
  Same. I've driven short distances sometimes to pick up lunch or something 5-10 minutes away because I forgot to switch my glasses. It wasn't ideal but perfectly doable. I've only done it a handful of times, though. And also I wouldn't do so at night.
jbornhorst 2y ago
Would love to speak with you for 20 mins to learn from your experience. If interested, ping me at jbornhorst [at] gmail [dot] com and I'll coordinate times.
mdnahas 2y ago
Me too. My progressive lenses give me eye strain and it is much worse at the computer. I have non-progressive lens for work and they’re much more comfortable. (Especially with my large monitor.)
cableshaft 2y ago

convolvatron 2y ago

this totally works. I also had a someone add in prism, which really did help fatigue. but for reasons I ended up using the occupational almost all the time, and ended up really screwing with my ability to use perspective to gauge distance. now I'm really poor at judging the sizes of things and I used to be able to tell you at half a meter if it was a 10-32 or a 5mm screw

walterbell 2y ago
The brain and visual perception system are incredibly adaptable, even to incorrect prescriptions. Some unwanted adaptions can be reversed by slowly changing any problematic parameters, like (un)training wheels. This would have been inordinately expensive before the era of self-service online glasses.

dinfinity 2y ago

Unsure if this will work for your case, but I am _very_ happy with my implanted contact lenses. They sit behind my iris and optically function as normal contact lenses. No hassle, just a straight up body upgrade. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraocular_lens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraocular_lens I was very surprised that this is not a more common thing to hear about amongst people with bad eyesight. Laser correction sucks in comparison, with more risks of complications, generally worse vision outcomes, longer recovery, etc. The lens implantation process is even undoable and as safe as cataract surgery which has been done since the 1970s.

bmurphy1976 2y ago
Honestly, I'm absolutely terrified of doing anything that might damage my eyesight. I know the common procedures (i.e. Lasik) have come a long way in the last two decades and are very low risk, but they are not zero risk. I won't even wear contact lenses, I long ago fully committed to glasses. That type of procedure doesn't fit my risk tolerance.
- dinfinity 2y ago
  I understand the hesitation, but that's the thing about this: It's even simpler than cataract surgery (where they actually _replace_ your own lenses instead of just flopping one in front of it), which is very very common, and very very safe. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cataract_surgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cataract_surgery IIRC the chance of complications for Lasik is about 10x that of the one for intraocular lens implantation. The nature of the complications for the latter is also more along the lines of "an eye infection for a month" instead of something permanent. I definitely suggest researching it (and not mentally lumping it in with Lasik, because they are quite different). Cheesy, but my only regret is not having done it years sooner.
  - hollerith 2y ago
    >cataract surgery, which is very very common, and very very safe. Ever since my elderly friend had cataract surgery (5 years ago) she finds bright light painful, so she spends less time outdoors.

walterbell 2y ago

> now have to juggle two pairs of glasses instead of one This can be mitigated with custom magnetic clip lenses, e.g. Chemistrie. Tiny magnets are implanted into your current frame. Clip lens changes the focal length of your existing glasses by a fixed offset. Computer or reading clip can be changed in seconds. They also have polarized clips for instant sunglasses on your existing frame, which are better than Transitions/photochromic because they work while driving and are instant on/off.

bmurphy1976 2y ago
It's an interesting approach. I used clip on sun glasses for years, but you still have the problem of having to juggle the clips and while they are smaller and easier to carry they are also far more fragile and easier to lose. I'm not sure they would provide any benefit over what I have now but it's good to know there are options!
jbornhorst 2y ago
oh these are super interesting - i've never seen magnets in the len's before. thanks for sharing.
- walterbell 2y ago
  They are mostly sold via opticians who do the changes locally, but there's also an online option, 150 for clip + lens mod + 2-way shipment, additional clips for 75, https://www.buychemistrie.com/product-page/chemistrie-computer-clip https://www.buychemistrie.com/product-page/chemistrie-comput...

KurSix 2y ago

Do you find yourself swapping glasses a lot throughout the day, or do you mostly stick with the occupational ones when working?

bmurphy1976 2y ago
I wear my occupational lenses 100% while working at my computer/laptop or doing some up close and small fiddly work (i.e. soldering a circuit board). I wear my regular glasses otherwise, but find myself frequently taking them off to focus on things close to me (i.e. if I want to read something really quick or use my phone for more than a quick glance).
- KurSix 2y ago
  That makes sense! It sounds like the occupational lenses have made a huge difference for screen work, even if juggling two pairs is a bit of a hassle

onurtag 2y ago

> With my regular lenses there's a part of the screen that's about a half dollar coin in size that's clear and in focus. The rest of the screen is every so slightly blurry. I have two glasses that have lenses with a similar prescription. The older one has some basic lenses and anything outside the center gets gradually less clear towards the edges. The newer one has aspherical lenses and even the areas near the edges are quite clear. It wasn't expensive either. The best lens I have used was probably a zeiss one but I'm guessing the full featured zeiss is probably quite expensive.

bmurphy1976 2y ago
Look at the image in this article, it shows very clearly why my occupational lenses work so much better than my standard progressives: https://www.presbyopiaphysician.com/issues/2024/march/the-untapped-potential-of-occupational-lenses https://www.presbyopiaphysician.com/issues/2024/march/the-un...