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Trump Threatens to Hit Russia with Sanctions

10 points by layer8 2y ago

layer8 2y ago
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Bostonian 2y ago
Good, but how do you reconcile this with a WSJ story from two days ago, "U.S. Suspends Intelligence Sharing With Ukraine. Pause is expected to cripple Kyiv’s ability to target Russian forces".
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  Trump is an erratic man. Canadians have been dealing with Schrödinger's tariffs for months now.
- duxup 2y ago
  Dude is legit messed up in the head IMO. He's capable of expressing his will at times, but others I honestly don't think he is lucid. During his first term they came up with a rule at the Pentagon that a written and signed order from the white house was required before any unexpected action would take place. That rule came about because Trump would be ranting and give verbal orders that were unexpected and arguably dangerous (and given to the wrong people) .... and the next day he would not remember / deny he gave them.
  - cmurf 2y ago
    One of which is his order to shoot protesters, per Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper. The current SecDef would carry out those orders. Some members of the armed forces would refuse such orders, others would follow them. In terms of patrimonialism, Donald is the country and the country is Donald, not just in his mind, but also the true believers. Therefore, there won’t be a universal sense of 5 USC 3331 preventing the following of such an order. That oath will merely be transferred to Donald in the minds of the committed, and part of what will aid this is principate.
- jeffbee 2y ago
  You don't need to. There is a rotating cast of flunkies in charge of posting on his account and they say random stuff.
ThrowawayR2 2y ago
Anybody know enough ancient Greek to coin a word for governance by whim or fickleness? Perhaps astathocracy from the Greek word astathes (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%AE%CF%82 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B...)?
- card_zero 2y ago
  Go Latin: capriarchy. (Surely there's word for this already? Scanned lists of -cracy and -archy words, couldn't find one.)
  - ThrowawayR2 2y ago
    -archy is from the Greek arkhos so the first part has to be Greek too. There are mixed Latin + Greek words but they're not really considered proper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word.
    - card_zero 2y ago
      Such as matriarchy. Lots of Latin words are borrowed Greek words. But if you insist, you could have schediocracy, from σχεδίασμα (skhedíasma). Or maybe drop the h to give *astatocracy, like astatine, the unstable element. Easier to say.
- cmurf 2y ago
  Patrimonialism. https://archive.is/8RJoN https://archive.is/8RJoN The exact form of government is whatever achieves the goal, and is largely academic. It only vaguely will help understand what’s happening, or what is yet to come. e.g. in some sense right now, the form is diarchy, but also principate. The veneer of republic will make it plausible and normal when one of the diarchs is fired. Part of the confusion is many things are happening all at once. It might seem whimsical and fickle because of the incompetency, but the largest single component of what’s going on is corruption. And it’s going to get much much worse, because power is being consolidated. This is 180° from Federalist 51 in which Madison describes (polyarchy) making ambition counter ambition.
k310 2y ago
Trump has all the good sense of Caligula. [0] > The tale of Caligula’s horse, Incitatus, being appointed as a senator is one of the most outlandish anecdotes about the emperor’s supposed madness. Incitatus was not just any horse; by all accounts, Caligula lavished him with luxuries typically reserved for Rome’s elite. The horse lived in a marble stable, with an ivory manger, and was the recipient of jewelry and other decadent trappings of wealth. The story goes that Caligula was so enamored with Incitatus that he intended to make a farce of the senatorial proceedings by raising his horse to the high office of a consul. As a negotiator, every threat he makes is an opening for the bidding war to undo it. Perhaps the threat to Russia (biting the hand that feeds him) is to gain some leverage in whatever negotiations are going on in public and private. He's completely transactional. I'm just guessing it's a bluff to gain some leverage he doesn't really have. He usually plays checkers when the opponents are playing 5-dimensional chess. It works on the gullible, whom he courts with racist and misogynist bait. And his odd and economically harmful fixation on tariffs and isolationism. [2] I suppose it all makes sense if and when you can track the grift, such as "The Strategic Crypto Reserve" [1] [0] https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/ https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/ [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/strategic-cryptocurrency-reserve-swindle/681917/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/strategic-... [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico/681912/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/trump-tari...
- prmph 2y ago
  Indeed, Trump's playbook is quite simple, not sure why politicians the world over have not caught on: 1. He says or threatens something outrageous; People get all riled up, take a position of defiant vulnerability. 2. He softens his stance; People thanks their stars that they can at least negotiate something with him. 3. He can then proceed to negotiate from a position of strength A good way to deal with Trump, unless you strongly depend on him, is just to ignore him outright.
iJohnDoe 2y ago
Just an attempt to be Fair and Balanced?

10 points by layer8 2y ago

layer8 2y ago

https://archive.ph/WSRkc https://archive.ph/WSRkc

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Bostonian 2y ago

Good, but how do you reconcile this with a WSJ story from two days ago, "U.S. Suspends Intelligence Sharing With Ukraine. Pause is expected to cripple Kyiv’s ability to target Russian forces".

MattGaiser 2y ago
Trump is an erratic man. Canadians have been dealing with Schrödinger's tariffs for months now.
duxup 2y ago
Dude is legit messed up in the head IMO. He's capable of expressing his will at times, but others I honestly don't think he is lucid. During his first term they came up with a rule at the Pentagon that a written and signed order from the white house was required before any unexpected action would take place. That rule came about because Trump would be ranting and give verbal orders that were unexpected and arguably dangerous (and given to the wrong people) .... and the next day he would not remember / deny he gave them.
- cmurf 2y ago
  One of which is his order to shoot protesters, per Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper. The current SecDef would carry out those orders. Some members of the armed forces would refuse such orders, others would follow them. In terms of patrimonialism, Donald is the country and the country is Donald, not just in his mind, but also the true believers. Therefore, there won’t be a universal sense of 5 USC 3331 preventing the following of such an order. That oath will merely be transferred to Donald in the minds of the committed, and part of what will aid this is principate.
jeffbee 2y ago
You don't need to. There is a rotating cast of flunkies in charge of posting on his account and they say random stuff.

ThrowawayR2 2y ago

Anybody know enough ancient Greek to coin a word for governance by whim or fickleness? Perhaps astathocracy from the Greek word astathes (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%AE%CF%82 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B...)?

card_zero 2y ago
Go Latin: capriarchy. (Surely there's word for this already? Scanned lists of -cracy and -archy words, couldn't find one.)
- ThrowawayR2 2y ago
  -archy is from the Greek arkhos so the first part has to be Greek too. There are mixed Latin + Greek words but they're not really considered proper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word.
  - card_zero 2y ago
    Such as matriarchy. Lots of Latin words are borrowed Greek words. But if you insist, you could have schediocracy, from σχεδίασμα (skhedíasma). Or maybe drop the h to give *astatocracy, like astatine, the unstable element. Easier to say.
cmurf 2y ago
Patrimonialism. https://archive.is/8RJoN https://archive.is/8RJoN The exact form of government is whatever achieves the goal, and is largely academic. It only vaguely will help understand what’s happening, or what is yet to come. e.g. in some sense right now, the form is diarchy, but also principate. The veneer of republic will make it plausible and normal when one of the diarchs is fired. Part of the confusion is many things are happening all at once. It might seem whimsical and fickle because of the incompetency, but the largest single component of what’s going on is corruption. And it’s going to get much much worse, because power is being consolidated. This is 180° from Federalist 51 in which Madison describes (polyarchy) making ambition counter ambition.

k310 2y ago

Trump has all the good sense of Caligula. [0] > The tale of Caligula’s horse, Incitatus, being appointed as a senator is one of the most outlandish anecdotes about the emperor’s supposed madness. Incitatus was not just any horse; by all accounts, Caligula lavished him with luxuries typically reserved for Rome’s elite. The horse lived in a marble stable, with an ivory manger, and was the recipient of jewelry and other decadent trappings of wealth. The story goes that Caligula was so enamored with Incitatus that he intended to make a farce of the senatorial proceedings by raising his horse to the high office of a consul. As a negotiator, every threat he makes is an opening for the bidding war to undo it. Perhaps the threat to Russia (biting the hand that feeds him) is to gain some leverage in whatever negotiations are going on in public and private. He's completely transactional. I'm just guessing it's a bluff to gain some leverage he doesn't really have. He usually plays checkers when the opponents are playing 5-dimensional chess. It works on the gullible, whom he courts with racist and misogynist bait. And his odd and economically harmful fixation on tariffs and isolationism. [2] I suppose it all makes sense if and when you can track the grift, such as "The Strategic Crypto Reserve" [1] [0] https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/ https://historychronicles.org/caligula-a-mad-tyrant/ [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/strategic-cryptocurrency-reserve-swindle/681917/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/strategic-... [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico/681912/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/trump-tari...

prmph 2y ago
Indeed, Trump's playbook is quite simple, not sure why politicians the world over have not caught on: 1. He says or threatens something outrageous; People get all riled up, take a position of defiant vulnerability. 2. He softens his stance; People thanks their stars that they can at least negotiate something with him. 3. He can then proceed to negotiate from a position of strength A good way to deal with Trump, unless you strongly depend on him, is just to ignore him outright.

iJohnDoe 2y ago

Just an attempt to be Fair and Balanced?