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It helps to be high up and to have an unobstructed view. An antenna extension (https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/sgn-ant-60 https://www.dxengineering.com/par

It helps to be high up and to have an unobstructed view. An antenna extension (https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/sgn-ant-60 https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/sgn-ant-60) would help. Even better would be an active antenna. I have only heard great things about the MLA30+ though I don't own one myself. WWCR (4840) has always been the easiest broadcast for me to pick up in the US.

sidewndr46 2y ago
Height isn't going to make any real difference for shortwave reception unless you're seriously high up and putting up a very efficient antenna like a dipole. At that point it's kind of moot, as you don't need an efficient antenna anyways to receive shortwave.
- euroderf 2y ago
  I've read (but not tried) that what works is a verrry loooong wire strung up like between trees or in a barn.
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    It's not a bad choice, but the tiny tecsun radio I have has a telescopic antenna that is about 3 ft long when extended. It receives shortwave very well. If there is some distant broadcast (maybe overseas) that you want to receive you can definitely build a very efficient antenna system for that broadcaster's frequency. Be prepared to shell out well over $10,000 for this.
    - TheAlchemist 2y ago
      What kind of equipement one would need for that ? Also interested in what kind of equipment broadcasters use - it's some off the shelf stuff ?
      - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
        For reception, a tower with a 3 element Yagi antenna with a rotator so you can point it in exactly the right direction. Although I think you can do it cheaper - people have had a lot of success with a Beverage antenna. It takes up a lot of space though!
      - sidewndr46 2y ago
        This explains the process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUaMXxWYao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUaMXxWYao
  - cf100clunk 2y ago
    Regarding simply stringing long wire, if you have a huge, flat land area and don't mind overhead wires, erect a rhombic antenna on dedicated poles for extremely high gain but with a few downsides worth reading about, such as the sheer size needed for shortwave. Don't string wires between trees as they are guaranteed to snap in the wind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_antenna
    - sidewndr46 2y ago
      To my knowledge there is basically one person doing non-commercial work with rhombics in north america: https://www.k0uo.com/ https://www.k0uo.com/ The same guy also owns an airport from what I recall.
      - ahazred8ta 2y ago
        At some overseas US military bases they have a huge dual rhomboid for HAM / MARS.
  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    I tried that with my buddy's shortwave while on guard duty in Iraq and fried the thing due to atmospheric electrostatic energy discharge (or it's actual scientific name), needless to say he was less than happy with me. First clue probably should have been the visible sparks coming off the antenna wire. Second clue should have been I was sitting in a truck insulated from the ground. Yep, he definitely should have known better.
    - sidewndr46 2y ago
      its more likely that the wire coupled in a very large amount of RF power from a transmitter that was at the base, damaging the unit. I obviously don't know your units deployment equipment, but the transmitter at the base is often greater than 100 watts of output
      - UncleEntity 2y ago
        Could be, I always just assumed it was from the high prevalence of static electricity in the desert. When I lived in Phoenix I would always touch the back of my hand to anything metal (like doorknobs) before touching it with my fingers because I've been shocked way too many times.
  - tinix 2y ago
    as a ham, I highly recommend K9AY receiving loop antenna. you can find instructions online. it's a loop antenna design that's steerable via DPDT switch and has directional noise rejection. it also takes up less space horizontally than an efhw.
- cf100clunk 2y ago
  Correct about altitude... it is a common misconception that height always improves reception, because it doesn't take into account that radio waves propagate in vastly different ways according to their frequency and wavelength. Thankfully there are organizations like the IRAU and ARLL that have vast amounts of info on what does and doesn't work in a wide variety of locations, bands, and altitudes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amateur_radio_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amateur_radio_organiza...
- the-grump 2y ago
  It helps as far as avoiding obstructions is concerned. I can barely pick up anything in my porch. On my ceiling it's many times better.
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    Unless the obstruction is a faraday cage it is not going to matter in the least bit for shortwave.
rpcope1 2y ago
The MLA30+ is ok if you throw away the crappy bias tee power injector that comes with it and replace the coax with something a little more durable. There's other gear like the cross country wireless loops that aren't much more expensive that perform much better, at least in my experience.
- lormayna 2y ago
  A Youloop antenna is good too and no issue with the power injector.

sidewndr46 2y ago

Height isn't going to make any real difference for shortwave reception unless you're seriously high up and putting up a very efficient antenna like a dipole. At that point it's kind of moot, as you don't need an efficient antenna anyways to receive shortwave.

euroderf 2y ago
I've read (but not tried) that what works is a verrry loooong wire strung up like between trees or in a barn.
- sidewndr46 2y ago
  It's not a bad choice, but the tiny tecsun radio I have has a telescopic antenna that is about 3 ft long when extended. It receives shortwave very well. If there is some distant broadcast (maybe overseas) that you want to receive you can definitely build a very efficient antenna system for that broadcaster's frequency. Be prepared to shell out well over $10,000 for this.
  - TheAlchemist 2y ago
    What kind of equipement one would need for that ? Also interested in what kind of equipment broadcasters use - it's some off the shelf stuff ?
    - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
      For reception, a tower with a 3 element Yagi antenna with a rotator so you can point it in exactly the right direction. Although I think you can do it cheaper - people have had a lot of success with a Beverage antenna. It takes up a lot of space though!
    - sidewndr46 2y ago
      This explains the process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUaMXxWYao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUaMXxWYao
- cf100clunk 2y ago
  Regarding simply stringing long wire, if you have a huge, flat land area and don't mind overhead wires, erect a rhombic antenna on dedicated poles for extremely high gain but with a few downsides worth reading about, such as the sheer size needed for shortwave. Don't string wires between trees as they are guaranteed to snap in the wind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_antenna
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    To my knowledge there is basically one person doing non-commercial work with rhombics in north america: https://www.k0uo.com/ https://www.k0uo.com/ The same guy also owns an airport from what I recall.
    - ahazred8ta 2y ago
      At some overseas US military bases they have a huge dual rhomboid for HAM / MARS.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  I tried that with my buddy's shortwave while on guard duty in Iraq and fried the thing due to atmospheric electrostatic energy discharge (or it's actual scientific name), needless to say he was less than happy with me. First clue probably should have been the visible sparks coming off the antenna wire. Second clue should have been I was sitting in a truck insulated from the ground. Yep, he definitely should have known better.
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    its more likely that the wire coupled in a very large amount of RF power from a transmitter that was at the base, damaging the unit. I obviously don't know your units deployment equipment, but the transmitter at the base is often greater than 100 watts of output
    - UncleEntity 2y ago
      Could be, I always just assumed it was from the high prevalence of static electricity in the desert. When I lived in Phoenix I would always touch the back of my hand to anything metal (like doorknobs) before touching it with my fingers because I've been shocked way too many times.
- tinix 2y ago
  as a ham, I highly recommend K9AY receiving loop antenna. you can find instructions online. it's a loop antenna design that's steerable via DPDT switch and has directional noise rejection. it also takes up less space horizontally than an efhw.
cf100clunk 2y ago
Correct about altitude... it is a common misconception that height always improves reception, because it doesn't take into account that radio waves propagate in vastly different ways according to their frequency and wavelength. Thankfully there are organizations like the IRAU and ARLL that have vast amounts of info on what does and doesn't work in a wide variety of locations, bands, and altitudes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amateur_radio_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amateur_radio_organiza...
the-grump 2y ago
It helps as far as avoiding obstructions is concerned. I can barely pick up anything in my porch. On my ceiling it's many times better.
- sidewndr46 2y ago
  Unless the obstruction is a faraday cage it is not going to matter in the least bit for shortwave.

rpcope1 2y ago

The MLA30+ is ok if you throw away the crappy bias tee power injector that comes with it and replace the coax with something a little more durable. There's other gear like the cross country wireless loops that aren't much more expensive that perform much better, at least in my experience.

lormayna 2y ago
A Youloop antenna is good too and no issue with the power injector.